Maybe I read a bad translation! --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > The Shiva Sutras > > Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on > my > Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to > ("bidirectional")M-effect: > > lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi > is [a cause > of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in > Sanskrit > word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham" > and > "lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or > topic, or whatever). > > > > have a sloka(?) that specifically > > > > states that you become realized only through > your own > > > > effort, nothing else. > > Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ?? > > > > > > > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: > > > > > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the > Self in Unity, or > > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort > Gods, Godesses, and > > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our > suffering. > > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by > our Selves! > > > > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you > > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we > are > > delighted to find that every one of them was just > > our Self all along!" > > > > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a > duality of > > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or > someGod else would > be > > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by > ourselves, we can't > > > really know exactly what we have done, and by > extension would > > > hypothetically remain in ignorance... > > > > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we > have > > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From > the > > perspective of enlightenment--I would > assume--there's > > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > Healthy Drug-Free Living</a>. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/