Maybe I read a bad translation!
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> "jim_flanegin"
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> > <snip>
> > > > The Shiva Sutras
>
> Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on
> my
> Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to
> ("bidirectional")M-effect:
>
> lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi
> is [a cause
> of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in
> Sanskrit
> word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham"
> and
> "lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or
> topic, or whatever).
>
>
>
> have a sloka(?) that specifically
> > > > states that you become realized only through
> your own
> > > > effort, nothing else.
>
> Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ??
>
>
> > >
> > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes:
> > >
> > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the
> Self in Unity, or
> > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort
> Gods, Godesses, and
> > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our
> suffering.
> > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by
> our Selves!
> >
> > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you
> > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we
> are
> > delighted to find that every one of them was just
> > our Self all along!"
> >
> > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a
> duality of
> > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or
> someGod else would
> be
> > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by
> ourselves, we can't
> > > really know exactly what we have done, and by
> extension would
> > > hypothetically remain in ignorance...
> >
> > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we
> have
> > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From
> the
> > perspective of enlightenment--I would
> assume--there's
> > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves.
> >
>
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