It's called *trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem*.
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners,
The TM Movement Community
'Originalism', this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the
religious faith-and-belief-in-Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry of
strict preservation on the one hand from progressive practitioner elements on
the other hand who in experience would like to see things evolve and work out
well for the TM movement.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :
If it's *extremely trying inside the movement" why be bothered? That's why i
keep my distance from the TMO. That way,I don't stress them out and they don't
stress me out. Why swim in their mess?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :
Why? Well, on a purely practical level I live here and a lot of my friends
live here. I have family that lives here now and we are all affected by how
they behave up there. -JaiGuruYou
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Originalists v Progressive Practitioners, The
TM Movement Community
I am on my way to a working meeting on campus right now about the movement but
this division over ‘originalism’ is a communal rub and scrap in harnessing
actionable change in cultural things that have evolved within the TM movement
community. It is extremely trying inside the movement right now.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :
On considering uncompromising and Strict Originalism, like with some strict TM
preservationists:“..a static interpretation of the law that doesn't move with
the times, doesn't move with the society.” “He (Scalia) was its most fierce
proponent I guess I would say, but that didn't mean that he prevailed. Not
everybody on the court agreed with him, including many of the conservatives on
some issues. And so while he was its principal proponent and theoretician, he
didn't win a great deal of the time because he was not a consensus-builder.
Other people were more willing to compromise than he was. He would have called
that "faux-conservatism."”
"The Constitution that I interpret and apply is not living but dead, or as I
prefer to call it, enduring. It means today not what current society, much less
the court, thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."
-Antonin Scalia
Originalism: A Primer On Scalia's Constitutional Philosophy
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Nina Totenberg explains how the idea that the Constitution is "not living but
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :
“Originalism,as defined by Justice Scalia and others, is that what is in
theConstitution literally is what the founding fathers meant.”
ConservativeTM Maharishi Originalism: That Maharishi set it up the way he did
asan enlightened soul and teacher, that he knew what he was doing, andit needs
to stay that way.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :
'Originalism',this becomes a useful critique for distinguishing the
religiousfaith-and-belief-in- Maharishi conservative TM ideologic zealotry
onthe one hand from progressive practitioner elements on the other hand who in
experiencewould like to see things evolve and work out well for the TMmovement.
“Andthere's no such thing as an evolution of ideas and an evolution ofsociety.
..He (Scalia) wouldn't buy that, ..He believed the same thing ininterpretation
of statutes (TM Movement admin policy, guidelines, andinstruction), that the
words (originalist) on the page are all thatcounts. That legislative history,
that constitutional history, theydon't count much if at all. What matters is
the intent at the time.To put it most bluntly, "I mean what I say and not any
more orany less."
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :
Standing like ConstitutionalOriginal-ists, the faith-in-Maharishi religionist
TM'ers inside TM atthe top for decades have contended and winnowed things
downfundamentally in their own minds that, “Fairfield is for those whohave
'faith and belief' in Maharishi and everyone else should leaveus alone”.
That wish, that people without'faith-and-belief' should leave, would have to be
taken apart andlooked at to see how it has actually gone down. A lot of
meditatorshave come and left and some lot of meditators have stayed on fortheir
own good reasons. Clearly the Dome group meditation numbers are really tiny.
Donations to the University and undergraduate enrollment tight. Has Bevan
gotten his wish? That those who do not have'faith-and-belief in Maharishi',
“..should leave and leave usalone”?
“Becareful what you wish for in this world, for if you wish hard enoughyou are
sure to get it. I once heard a very wise many say this, andthe longer I live
the more firmly I believe it to be true.”TheAtlantic monthly,Volume 67.
1891.http://jamie.workingagenda.com/blog/2010/06/12/who-said-be-careful-what-you-wish-for/
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :
In zeal as 'Original-ists' having stoodin way of progressive elements also in
the TM movement community thisis a lot like Scalia's camp has been on the
Supreme Court inrestraining and obstructing societal evolution.The difference
evidently is that thoughthere are a lot of opinions and feelings about how it
should go forTM and many have their many firm 'Maharishi-saids', there
evidentlyis not 'written' preamble, constitution guiding or bylaws governing TM
thatpeople easily share.
Everyone seems to have their own listsof 'Maharishi-Saids' to stand on
separately.
“..Andhe continued to be its (Originalism's) foremost exponent. From beinga
sort of a fringe movement 30 or 40 years ago, it is now majorleague, perhaps
the dominant philosophy — or was a dominantphilosophy with his vote — on the
Supreme court.”
-This would be Bevan in the TM community? With Neil.
Om, What is Originalism?4 Questions With NPR's Nina Totenberg About Justice
Antonin Scalia
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legal affairs correspondent talks about about Scalia's life, legacy and what's
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-JaiGuruYou
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