---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
On 09/17/2016 10:21 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You questioned my terminology. The Yahoo term for the person responsible for the group is List Owner. Doug is the List Owner of FFL. No further "research" needed on that point. And how does Yahoo define "List Owner"? You need to look into that. They won't leave it as an abstract definition. No, I don't need to look into that, not to say what I've said. Please review what I've said (all quoted below). You seem to have hallucinated that I said much more than I did. Your post is a non sequitur. Nonsense. I'm explaining how and why tech companies which I have over 30 years experience with use their terms of agreement to define things. Not relevant. This may answer some of your questions: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=answers&startover=y&y=PROD_GRPS&source=article.landing_search&locale=en_US&question_box=group%20owner https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=answers&startover=y&y=PROD_GRPS&source=article.landing_search&locale=en_US&question_box=group%20owner Also see: Contact group owners and moderators | Yahoo Help - SLN2491 https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN2491.html;_ylt=AwrBT7.RuN1XrukAsOxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByaWg0YW05BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg-- https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN2491.html;_ylt=AwrBT7.RuN1XrukAsOxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByaWg0YW05BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg-- Contact group owners and moderators | Yahoo Help -... https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN2491.html;_ylt=AwrBT7.RuN1XrukAsOxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByaWg0YW05BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg-- Learn how to contact a Yahoo Groups's owners and moderators. View on help.yahoo.com https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN2491.html;_ylt=AwrBT7.RuN1XrukAsOxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByaWg0YW05BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg-- Preview by Yahoo Quote from the page above: Yahoo doesn't operate or maintain any of the groups on Yahoo Groups. Instead, we give group owners the tools to create and run their own communities as they choose, governed by the Yahoo Groups requirements within the Yahoo Terms of Service https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/terms/utos/index.html. Yahoo Terms of Service https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/terms/utos/index.html 1. ACCEPTANCE OF TERMS Yahoo! Inc. ("Yahoo") welcomes you. View on policies.yahoo.com https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/terms/utos/index.html Preview by Yahoo Note that the Terms of Service does not mention group owners at all. We're not talking about who owns user content or moving FFL to another platform. Rather, I was pointing out that Doug, as list owner, can unilaterally decide what type of group he wants FFL to be and enforce that decision, including, e.g., throwing all of us out and adding new members who are more to his liking, banning political discussions, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Not good enough research. I don't have time nor the interest to wander through the group "terms of service and agreement" but these issues have come up in the past regarding these kinds of companies. For instance there was an issue over Facebook overreach with regard to owning user content. IOW, if Doug took Fairfield Life to another group like Google or Reddit etc Yahoo might have a problem with it though likely not as FFL isn't even a blip on their radar. We know that other Fairfield and TM centric groups have come and gone on the Internet. The only ones that seem to survive are the ones that expose the authoritarian overreach of the organization. On 09/17/2016 09:34 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As I said, Doug is the owner of FFL. "List Owner" happens to be Yahoo's own term for the individual responsible for a group. Look at any group "About" page; scroll down to the "Group Email Addresses" section. The last address is called "List Owner." For FFL, the address is: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com An email to this address will go to Doug. For The_Peak, it's: the_peak-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:the_peak-ow...@yahoogroups.com An email to this address will go to Jim. For the Self-publishing group, it's: self-publishing-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:self-publishing-ow...@yahoogroups.com (Don't know who the owner is for that group.) And so on. This is standard throughout Yahoo Groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 09/17/2016 06:31 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, I was going to suggest that we not wait to be "exiled," but simply pick up and move over to FFL2. The ugly threatening tone of Doug's recent posts suggests that we don't have any voice in the matter; he's clearly not interested in entertaining dissent. Remember, Doug is the owner of FFL, and if he wants to turn it into a forum that Rick and those of us who have been here for years wouldn't recognize or find appealing, that's his prerogative. His recent post indicates that he's huddling with anonymous folks who have apparently never participated in FFL, so their concerns don't reflect ours. (If the name "FairfieldLife Freer Speech" is claimed to infringe on the "FairfieldLife" brand name so as to preclude our using that forum for discussions that don't conform to Doug's ideas about isolating spirituality from the rest of human experience, I'm sure Alex would be willing to change the name.) More likely Yahoo is the owner not Doug. It's probably in the terms of service. Doug would just be considered "responsible" for it. It's a "rights" issue and often part of these kinds of services. Or basically attorneys on steroids creations.
