Yep, that shit is insidious. Once you start believing it, the ego can co-opt quite a story from anxieties, etc. Just stay in the body, not so much in the head, and live moment by moment. Negative perspectives are often a reflection of the state of the body and the mind. They can almost appear real if you let them. "Know thyself". ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
The postmodern 'Social Problem'.. Example even on FFL: "I don't know about the rest of you but I am very nervous to watch the first debate." Postmodernism is largely a reaction to the assumed certainty of scientific, or objective, efforts to explain reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : In the astral sheath of the yogic body what happens when they (these agitations) become problematic you may feel them in your body, your shoulders, the pit of your stomach, wherever they are. It is because they are beginning to make you sick, they are beginning to move in and making you sick. -FF Coffee Haus Satsang of Commonly Awakening People Q: ..mundane stuff that gets trolled here aside, what do you feel about the spiritual agitation in the body electorate and how it seems to get manipulated one way or another in this post-modern age of the electron? Just wondering. Ollie writes in 430768:[ Yeah, it is a curious problem these days, with tech providing us with 'super-powers', yet we still struggle to rise to the consciousness that will make tech less disruptive, and more supportive of solutions. Right now, there is kind of a giddyness globally, about each of us being empowered for expression, through social media and media in general. Having instant access to so much of the world, and being able to influence it, is not something we have been rigged for historically, and it is stirring up everything, all values, and ways of acting, interacting, and reacting, as we find our way through this infinitely connected world, and learn how to adjust to it. Although the media tsunami provides vastly more input to our senses, and questions more and more of what we experienced as a solid world previously, the challenge remains the same, to maintain and nurture our spiritual life in the face of whatever goes on around us, and do our best to adapt and thrive in this new world. ] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : "So then what happens in the emotional fields of the subtle system astrality is if that (agitation) persists then one, it is debasing; it, two, also starts to impact because the emotional body is so close, we could say, it in such an intimate relationship to the physical body, then the angry thoughts, the charging and a directing, the emotionality of the astrality gets potentized by the angry thoughts, the bitterness, the doubts, the self-loathing, whatever it is, and it starts activating this emotional material and starts impacting the DNA, it starts impacting the entire expression of the physical body and that is when you get sick." -Satsang Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : “..Being compassionate about all this makes it very interesting. It makes you feel for them. The spiritually disorganized. One can do a lot of praying for them, ask “Help, please! This is big”. “Here is an angel level situation here, could you come and help right now!” And, angels are great. They are just waiting for stuff to do. Angels are ever ready, ready to rock and roll. But, they have to be asked, this here is a free-will zone. They won’t, can’t do stuff unless asked. So, you got to ask them. If you ask them, “..this is beyond my understanding I need your help”. Not just ‘I need your help’, but when. “I need your help now.” When? “I need your help now. In the name of the highest good I need your help now.” It feels pretty good. It is such an education.” -FF Coffee Haus Satsang of Commonly Awakening People ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It seems not uncommon to run into friends and associates who are suffering in agitation by the media of current events. Suffering even to a point of disability. Seen even on FFL.. I can’t help it, I’m obsessed at this point! ..I am also obsessed and as much as I want to stop watching the news and listening to the radio and reading articles I can't and it is driving me crazy. I start to talk to my husband about some latest news regarding the election and he says he doesn't want to talk about it, he wants to stop thinking about it all the time but then I come home from work and he has CNN on while he's cooking. He can't stop either! I am thinking I will be having serious withdrawals once this whole crazy season is over. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The Fairfield, Iowa spiritual satsanga observes what with the collective agitation in politics, the world, and media, the grounding or calming recommendation is: “..keep our core steady with spiritual practices, being engaged with good works and good people, keeping our focus there.” Around a table, one person offered in conversation, “I wake up and I have anxiety, I have nameless fears. Feelings of impending doom; but then I meditate and do energy work on myself and those feelings go away.” Another comments that, “..alignment is a native state, and relates to how you feel. It is you. It is how you feel. Contribute one person at a time to the collective. It would not take much to make profound integrated changes”. Another observes: “..the younger generations, X,Y, and Millennials and those being borne in now, their burden is less, their design is different, expansive, beautiful, expanded that is a felt thing in the group. A felt thing that is the light-body that you feel. It is a feeling. Realms of ‘States’ of consciousness are different. The integrated state though is who you are, it is the aspect of you, that is peaceful and strong. That state is ‘The Thousand Names’.. This is the actual politics of the Self. Not looking at others but yourself within a group The group depends upon the parts. The potential of a world view is not just philosophical but it is a felt reality. Another observes: Trump by contrast is as an asura, he activates a paradigm that is dying, a process that is going out. It is a paradigm that is of unhealthy people with personality disorder, people in terrible health, people in terrible physical and mental health with inherent flaw. Lash out and they are down is all they have. They are not enduring. The collective is not being served by this agitation. Power is for change, the one who upholds dharma . There is an energy for change.” -The Fairfield, Iowa Satsang of 'Commonly Awakening Ordinary People' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Postmodern mental and emotional commotion.. Vritti, literally "whirlpool", is a technical term in yoga meant to indicate that the contents of mental awareness are disturbances in the medium of consciousness. ..There are bodies, energy sheaths in the human system. They are called kosha. This is in ayurveda. There are these sheaths and they have jobs. They carry certain types of energies.. The astral body carries raw emotional energy. This is unfiltered emotional energy. In a healthy and robust energy body emotions are processed and moved through, they are not held on to. The motion in E-motion. They move through. We are meant to have them. They are part of being human. All of them, but the thing is not to live with them, like let them take over. We are meant to feel joy, we are meant to feel sorrow. We are meant to feel anger, we are meant to feel happiness. These are all things we are meant to feel as emotion, but again it is not meant to be where we live, or where they dominate the life. -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : "What happens in astrality, [the astral body/system of the human being] the astral sheath, and again my understanding (experience) might not be perfect but it seems to be part of this is that it seems to be the astrality can have this incredible burden of emotionality, this emotional material that is not being processed so it is bombarding the physical body and it is bombarding the mind, the mental field. All this emotional pressure colors the mind, so the mind instead of being more of an effective tool in life of accomplishing things, it is meant to be more subservient. Instead the mind ends up getting colored by all these emotions that burden the mind, so you end up with a mind being beset by anger, beset by bitterness, bitter thoughts, angry thoughts, an angry mind: so you become burdened by them." -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Q: spiritual practice? A: “..So in the subtle system, a beauty of subtle energy work [spiritual practices] is that it is so unequivocally divine. In a way it is giving the system an opportunity for that moment, and then again for this moment all they have to do is go back to it. But in that moment you are resetting it. In that moment you hope that they notice it. In that moment you hope that they get some relief, some kind of something happens where they have a moment of reflection for themselves, their experience and for their condition and what is contributing to it.” --FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Q:With some awareness you could use all the Maharishi programs to actually remove chaos? A: Absolutely, if it is understood that way. Q: In behavior and ethics, what is good and what is bad action relative to, does behavior help base an energy system or where does behavior debase it, energetically? A: What is sinful and what is righteous spiritually come down to cultural norms that have to do with helping people maintain their energy system. -The Fairfield, Iowa Satsang of 'Commonly Awakening Ordinary People' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : A: "This really comes down to physics because either behavior and practices raise the vibrational rate or lowers it. That should be the criterion, it is not that you are evil, it is just if it is becoming lower vibration or higher vibration. Is the energy system more durable or not?" -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Interestingly, in modern mental health practice even the AMA has become more integrative in its best practices including prescriptive recommendations for a balance of meditation along with counseling, allopathic medical, and healthy conscious eating and circadian active living in remedy. The total person. The TM movement’s mental health policy was likewise brought up recently to be science-based integrative too. Was remarkable to see this grasped by the new TM movement and brought into modern TM movement policy incorporating the range of best practices. Culture and policy changes intertwined in time.. Understanding Mental Illness and Treatment http://portals.mum.edu/Customized/uploads/guidelines-for-mental-health.html http://portals.mum.edu/Customized/uploads/guidelines-for-mental-health.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Yes, I see your point. However, I don't think that being ignorant of oneself is much different, be it astrally, divinely, emotionally, etc. I do agree that straight up psychotherapy is useful sometimes to unravel the stories people build in their heads. A lot of magical thinking or at least a naively uncritical view of one's life happens with too much meditation. As a friend observed, the cloth doesn't fade if left in the dye, it rots. The other thing is to not buy too heavily into the idea that we are separate individuals, because at the end of the day, we discover we are not, and this points in the direction of bringing fulfillment to such desires as helping those so afflicted astrally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Your particular observation here and caution is quite fair. For instance, Guru Dev (Brahmananda Saraswati in his discourseshttp://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html) talked about it, Yogananda discerned it in his writings, David Hawkins used to advocate that people avoid what he called, the ‘astral circus‘ of realms of spirits, voices and such spiritism for their own safety. But the spiritual mechanism as reference here (an unfiltered technology revolution in this case) of modernism in destabilized debased (astral) systems, which these spiritual people are observing from their work with people, is technical and more to the equivalent of organs of the physiology of the human spiritual being. In organs of experiencing, more to the apparatus of the emotional fields of being human, fields as sheath, something like an electro chemical aspect of the physical body where it may have dents or snags in its flow from life being lived that can effect life in the body and ones health. Popular psychology and teachers it seems are more commonly using the term ‘shadow’ or ‘shadows’ in reference to it. This is where some categories of yogic practices and modern mental health therapeutic practices possibly adjunct to and more than just meditating, can come into being helpful in understanding and practical or hands-on remediation. This evidently is some peoples observation and experience with it. These people as you can read down further into this thread are putting their fingers on what they are describing as commoted, agitated, and even debased features in the system of experience that is human being. ..descriptive of something evidently ongoing. Empiricism and Science may catch up to the observation in time as they can can come to measure it. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : non-attachment is an overused concept, but if thought of impersonally, it is the only way we can exist both free, and aware of the astral spectrum. Built in, not added on. Otherwise, if we indiscriminately use our ability to access the astral realms, we can be led astray by the many entities there. I don't say this as something to be afraid of, but it is a possibility, until non-attachment is steadfast, and the divine reigns. There are three worlds, each more refined than the next - material, astral, and divine. The last one uses the refined perception that allows the astral in, but the baggage has been resolved. Fundamentally, we are material beings, that is our most obvious form, yet a familiarity, though not necessarily a preference for the astral realm is necessary for a full picture of life, as is the divine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Q: “Held in the Astrality” What do you mean, ‘held in the astral’?… A: ..‘De-based’. Debasing because of an injury, or a separation or shock, exacerbated by influence, it is held in the astral. There are bodies, energy sheaths in the system. They are called kosha. This is in ayurveda. There are these sheaths and they have jobs. They carry certain types of energies.. The astral body carries raw emotional energy. This is unfiltered emotional energy. In a healthy and robust energy body emotions are processed and moved through, they are not held on to. The motion in E-motion. They move through. We are meant to have them. They are part of being human. All of them, but the thing is not to live with them, like let them take over. We are meant to feel joy, we are meant to feel sorrow. We are meant to feel anger, we are meant to feel happiness. These are all things we are meant to feel as emotion, but again it is not meant to be where we live, or where they dominate the life. -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Within the spiritual energetics of postmodern technology: “..But it is a tall order. There is so little spiritual support yet in the environment and certainly because there is so little of it in the realm of where they are looking. If one is looking into bestiality, if you are looking into violence, if you are looking into bloodlust, if you are looking into bodily-lust, then you are going to find anything there that is redeeming? The seven deadly sins are the things they are feeding. Lust, envy, jealousy, rage, avarice. Fascinating but it isn't very interesting to me. Fortunately most of the time when I am working on people who do have spiritual orientation it is amazing what this energetic does in people. Because you can access spiritual people and find their heart, you can easily find the heart in someone who who is obsessed with all this astrality whose chakras are so compromised. Karunamayi used to call it 'dust'. That is generous, I would call it the garbage yard. It is like all this crap buried in the energetic system. -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It is interesting. Fairfield, Iowa is full of cultivated long time spiritual practitioners, folks who have been aware and consciously disciplined in cultivating an inner life, many folks for three, four, five and some for six decades. The satsang here by this experience is fabulously insightful when you ask around and sit with it. I have simply taken some time in transcribing it as I hear it. This last summer something that I thought was noteworthy in the conversation was how observations here collectively correlated with other awakened folks outside of Fairfield. As you read down through these transcriptions they come as excerpt from longer conversation with different folks who are speaking to the topic from the the perspective of their experience. Satsang, spiritual conversation, it seems is everywhere one goes in Fairfield. It is a type of critique of things which seems timely. Science might possibly catch up to describing it too as postmodernism in effect. A fair consideration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : I don't get it - Is this an observation, a proclamation, a warning, what is it? I don't understand the attention this one facet of life is getting, as if it is something that needs attention. It sounds like the speaker is implying something outside their self be fixed to their satisfaction, and, "something must be done". That's how I am reading it...with a, "physician, heal thyself", recommendation, as a reasonable response. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : De-grading.. "Usually for most of us mere mortals it seems to be sort of a graduated evolutionary process that allows for these higher vibrational values to keep going. When you have in place and you have in play in this other agitated realm what you have is phenomenally bad, I am saying bad because of the suffering it causes, people who are just degrading themselves, just being degraded and degrading themselves actively going after it without any real conscious understanding of the implications of it where there is an inner innocence, where ignorance is an innocence too. In innocence they are just doing it because it is available because it has some stimulating effect in various ways and yet they have no idea of the implications of what the repercussions of it are and what it does to their energy systems." -from the Fairfield, Iowa Satsang of 'ordinary awakening people'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : I am not criticizing them personally. When I said they must be mood-making, it was because of the suggestion from your quote that the Internet, or 'smart phones' or something in that direction, was making it more difficult for spirituality to exist (I am paraphrasing). My point was that inner silence, once cultivated, doesn't go away, or get lessened. The idea that spirituality is fragile and needs coddling is completely wrong, imo. It is activity and challenge that stabilizes silence, by whatever means - dipping the fabric, and then out in the sun. As for a suggestion that time on a smart phone or laptop may be better spent meditating, or doing something else, that is a judgment call for each of us. There will never be a prescription on how to live our lives, leading to spiritual fulfillment. It is up to each of us to innocently continue a regular program of effortless meditation, morning and evening, and the rest will take care of itself. No spiritual supplements necessary, nor is there anything to be fearful of that will impede our progress. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Actually these people, the maha teachers and the ‘ordinary spiritually awakening’ around here do agree with your prescription, Ollie. You would find them practical and real in life as you are teaching. But to assume and castigate them as moodmakers seems just more ad hominem, character assassination and contending in place of consideration of what they are saying. Yours may be a different ‘bandwidth’ than these illumined. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Agreed. Also, if these 'spiritual teachers' are concerned about the effects of the astral world, they need to meditate and integrate their silence more. There is a natural momentum upwards towards sattva once sufficient sadhana is done. If the astral is still grasping or they are overly interested, it is from not enough purity in the system. The normal state is to not pay much attention to the astral world, in favor of the material and divine. Then we can be useful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yep, maybe describes a societal agitation of a Trump in mass-media. A difference is that these spiritual insights by contrast offer what can be used directly as a remediation to what is seen as a spiritual societal agitation using meditation, study, and engagement socially to be of help to others. Research of modern sciences [of the postmodern era] would seem to indicate some validity to what these modern spiritual people are observing in their satsang and offering as remediation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : I have to laugh and shake my head at this "commentary" because it sounds so much like Trump's "Be afraid, be very afraid" speech at the convention--not so much the specifics, but the "sky is falling" tone. I agree totally with Olllie; it's the silliest kind of moodmaking. And when it comes from spiritual teachers, they sound as if they're worried about competition. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
