Yes, the great sage Maharishi Mahesh Yogi spoke to some of this development back in the 20th Century. There is at least one lecture on the 500 hours of MMY lectures thumb drive where he speaks of this aspect of spiritual development.
Recently someone reading this particular thread here on FFL handed me an audio CD of MMY with a lecture about this. The composite of both the thumb drive and CD would make a good transcript on the subject. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : ..it is the vagus or tenth cranial nerve that is the most receptive to this solar fire or energy, the spiritual fire coming down, the fire of the macrocosm. This fire energizes humans and uses them to express the qualities of love and wisdom. There also is a fire by friction in the center of the earth called the kundalini fire. The human is the focal point of these two fires or forces which play through him and activate his seven centers of light. The kundalini is a negatively charged energy which is activated by the positively charged energy, the spiritual fire, which is located in the central spiritual sun. It is said that at a propitious time kundalini hears the call of her mate and rises from her cave in the base of the human spine to meet him. The kundalini fire is aroused as a final step in one's spiritual development, and it can only travel up a clear, pure channel, activating the chakras as it goes. While this is happening, the latent powers within one are also coming into full expression in a natural way. It is the way that one through many rebirths, and now rapidly through meditation, moves from mortality to immortality. [excerpt] FFL 419964 A Biography of Charlie Lutes and Helen Lutes: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419964 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419964 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Once I heard M directly telling the classical analogy of these energies circulating in the energy centers of the nervous system. The classical analogy ..like a snake circulating with its tail in its mouth, circulating through the energy centers, and his comment that Transcendental Meditation is what takes the tail out of the snake’s mouth and then allows the snake to circulate freely. I directly heard him saying this one time on a course in Switzerland and then sometime later that year while I was back in the USA teaching then hearing someone recount Maharishi as saying (as if literally) ‘there is a snake in the spine’, etc. Jeez people! I feel he stopped publicly talking about these aspects of embodiment of the primordial in the light body of the human being as it was too distracting for where a lot of people were at and where the development of science was at in that time such that science then could not back up what is the spiritual reality. Obviously the instrumentation is not yet there to image this and put a handle on it. That sort of technological imaging in science research proly will catch up with spirituality in time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Yes, as breath is also intimate to the heart and subtle system it seems that working on alignment of these subtle energy systems of the spiritual nervous system is a lot of where so many of the meditating community have gone on to. I have been going to these planning meetings with various movement people and it is pretty clear that some of those still narrowly vested in the strict ™ consciousness paradigm don’t really get where people have gone in their spiritual experience. More recently with the opening up of mental health policy inside TM, some clinical thinkers are moving to the direction of ‘integral’ medicine but that only goes to incorporating cognitive modality as their means of getting to the heart of spiritual problems. That is okay as one modality. The communal satsang of the old meditating community evidently has cultivated other experience with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote : I am predicting that breath, or prana will at some point, become a focus of western medicine. Probably before interest in something like energy centers takes hold. The Upanishads, in particular, talk about the different breaths, and the functions they perform. Breath may be something people can understand better than say, chakras. Another area which has little or no public awareness is that of sexual energy, and how it pertains to overall health and mental acuity, at least as I see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : M stopped talking much about it publicly at points when faced with an intellectual skepticism about these energy centers: ‘Thin lines of energy flowing in the central nervous system? ’ ..'Where exactly?' Comparing to the science then at that time growing on 'consciousness' defined by meditation then to also describe and defend a subtle system which science has yet to be able to even image would be daunting at best given where people and science was at in time. But clearly it was where he was going in his teachings and methods even to his last techniques in marma, vibrational modalities and the Ved and Physiology practice. The guy was a visionary, sage, empiricist and necessarily practical going forward. We don't have so much guidance coming out of TM about it other than ideas of stress release and meditation checking so people over the years have also gone on in their experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Yes, thanks for the reply. I do believe that spiritual development is a tricky endeavor, and that complications can arise, either due to an awakening of kundalini, or just an expanding of awareness. I suppose it is helpful to have a support network to help sort things out, and lend a helping hand if necessary. Of course, like anything, you can carried away by too much analysis, which can lead to mood making and other weird diversions . Always difficult to find the right balance. Still sorting that out in my own life ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yep, regardless of which meditation or spiritual practice some people can have trouble with kundalini flow (subtle energy centers) as their spirituality comes on or grows. Evidently it is not by meditation necessarily but also occurs separately for some various people as kundalini development in the central subtle nervous system. Able to surface at any point as the spiritual system may grow, sometimes in the new spiritual aspirant or in long practiced or cultivated people. This as its own continuum is different from the consciousness ‘awakening’ continuum that gets focused on in the TM community or at Rick’s batgap, but can have its own development to talk about on continuum different than consciousness development. In satsang around Fairfield, Iowa people can surface periodically with troubles in the flow of their Kundalini subtle system. This is particularly different than say psychological breaks like bi-polar and such. It was not something we were much guided in but there is a cohort of intuitive people and experienced people round who can be helpful to folks whose subtle systems are in rough times and not integrated enough in some ways to be easier with being a conduit for evidently more primordial energy referred to as kundalini, or the holy-ghost in x-ianity. It can be a topic of conversation around Fairfield on different levels. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : an particulars in this regard? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : In TM we did not get much guidance on this but those are interesting sutras to use. My wife in community working as an RN, being intuitive, and being an old meditation teacher has been running into some people who are amidst some openings of kundalini. That has its spiritual reality for some people which in some ways is also physiologic to the human psycho-spiritual system. . Card’s sequence of sutras as energy centers that are in the YS may well be relevant. Also it seems was where Maharishi was going with his last technique, the Ved and Physiology technique. The sutras like that Ved and Physiology process can be handy to energetically reference; along with some kind of mindful intent like these kind of directives in the yoga sutras in checking of the flow for some people in their mists and rough with it all. Some things sort of like in point 30 of the old checking notes, if you remember those. Going to these YS chapters and verse are like going back to reading my tractor repair manual for figuring out my tractor’s ignition system that just went haywire. 10th cranial nerve? Sometimes you just have to go sit and attend to it under a shade tree. But figure it out also by going to an old tractor mechanic who has more experience with it. ultrarishi offers: You might be interested in the work of Stephen Porges and his Polyvagal Theory. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : "..the physiological counterpart of kuurma-naaDii might well be the vagus nerve, which is the main parasympathetic nerve," In the human, who is the highest expression of God on earth, it is the vagus or tenth cranial nerve that is the most receptive to this solar fire or energy, the spiritual fire coming down, the fire of the macrocosm. This fire energizes humans and uses them to express the qualities of love and wisdom. =Charlie Lutes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <hepa7@...> wrote : Number 5, at least in my set (English: BT?), is the one that seems to correspond YS III 31: kuurma-naaDyaaM* sthairyam. Some translations: kUrmanaaDyaaM sthairyam [HA]: Calmness Is Attained By Samyama On The Bronchial Tube. [IT]: (32): (By performing Samyama) on the Kurma-nadi steadiness. [VH]: On the tortoise duct (tortoise), steadiness. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the “tortoise vein,” one’s being becomes steady. [SS]: (32): By samyama on the kurma nadi (a subtle tortoise-shaped tube located below the throat), motionless in the meditative posture is achieved. [SP]: (32) By making samyama on the tube within the chest, one acquires absolute motionlessness. [SV]: (32): On the nerve called Kurma (comes) fixity of the body. --------- I used to think that the "oiling" of joints, less tight muscles and harder *rections after doing siddhis was mainly due to flying, but now it seems to me the main culprit might well be actually the BT above, after doing it a couple of times in isolation, or whatever. It seems to me the physiological counterpart of kuurma-naaDii might well be the vagus nerve, which is the main parasympathetic nerve, I believe. Wiki: The parasympathetic system is responsible for stimulation of "rest-and-digest" or "feed and breed"[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasympathetic_nervous_system#cite_note-2 activities that occur when the body is at rest, especially after eating, including sexual arousal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_arousal, salivation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salivation, lacrimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears (tears), urination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urination, digestion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion and defecation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defecation. Its action is described as being complementary to that of the sympathetic nervous system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_nervous_system, which is responsible for stimulating activities associated with the fight-or-flight response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response. (Sorry for my inaccurate wording. As I've told before, I'm a "grammarian", certainly not a "semantician"!) * locative (in, at, on, into, etc) singular from naaDii
