Sharing the number one experiences? Asking this question around in the Fairfield, Iowa Coffee Haus satsanga…
A: Don’t promote the experiences, the critique too easily can get confused with someone saying “I had a drug trip like that”or, “they are crazy, dissociated”. Without context, sharing would sound delusional or hallucinatory. Instead, look at what is the quality of the life of the people practicing. Flashy or abstract experience, that may not be the goal of the program. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : advice from the internet: ..As for how one rates one's state of consciousness, my advice is to stay the f**k away from any such thinking. It becomes clear in time where you are, informed by consciousness itself; established in silence, seeing the world as yourself, or whatever. Some awakened olderTM’er reflecting.. ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not found a solution yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the collective meditation and meditate again. This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you enlightened?”. Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on this. Yifuxero writes: I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences". I've seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way. They'll find out! The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations would be improper at this time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are: “Madhuchhandas” ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of the Veda. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html MMY commentary.. Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, the silent basis of creation. And then third, Inner silence quiet -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the individual or group. A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not have been there before. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : The discernment of Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community. Levitation practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual experience. yifuxero writes: Any accounts of levitation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Something quite fair to admire about the meditation Assembly is that like most other projects that Maharishi undertook he used the facility of the project to have scientists conduct science research in to the effects of meditation. From the beginning of the IAA that too has been going on all along with research on individuals and research on the collective of the Assembly. Quite a lot of advancement has been made in replication of previous study. That has been a large part of what it was about and then going further. Certainly people have experience with the meditation to study. The Domes it seems are fabulous activated places to meditate. In fact they have been a treasure trove to conduct science research in. Putting the organization and some of its personality and antics aside the research is currently still the case ongoing. Some of the research has been to study people who describe experiencing higher states of consciousness/presence. From the standpoint of applying science research the ‘number one’ category of description becomes relevant to finding the subject. There quite evidently is a reality to it. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : For some years a daily feature of the Invincible America Assembly meditation (IAA) in the Domes is to break mid-morning for a few minutes and have people share what came to be dubbed their ‘number one’ experience from their meditation practice or as result of the practice. These are self described experiences. People can come up to the microphone to relate their experience if they wish to and some acknowledgement and commentary is given by Bevan or other ™-Sidhis admins. The course of personal experiences that people choose to share can range. Through time there has developed a jargon relevant to the participants that is come out of the process. Participants on the assembly can like the sharing and comments a lot and be enthusiastic about it as a feature of the assembly. It serves as a type of discernment or clarifying about people’s experiences in these long meditations of the IAA. It works as a type of checking process for folks on the program. As context, take a look around the IAA web page. The “Assembly” has been an ongoing meditation program for over a decade now. Some people are pretty shiny for being attenders in the Domes and their experiences evidently can reflect that. http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ yifuxero writes: A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem of "Awakening" vs relative experiences: simply erase the vs and insert "and". Problem solved. In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God (YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence. This goal seems to leave out the "Awakening" part, involving ultimate Gnosis of the Ein Sof (Jewish term for the Ground of Being), but this as a concept seems to have been tacked on to the later body of Jewish mystics. Thus (my conclusion), most of the mystics in this tradition failed to integrate Awakening with "an experience" (i.e. ascent to the Throne of YHVH). The Christian Throne of God experience simply adds Jesus to one's vision of YHVH (although there are no accounts of seeing the "Face" of YHVH). In the Sant Mat Tradition, dualistic out of body travel is the method of ascent uttimately to a form of Samadhi by hooking a ride onto the celestial Sound Current(s). Accounts of such experiences appear to match MMY's "GC". To conclude, prioritizing experiences can't - at the present stage of human evolution - come to a definitive set of agreements, but some progress can be made by selecting individual Traditions having their own goals. Then you decide. 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