--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal dynamic 
that
> > > > causes him to lash out at a calm and rational discussion of 
TMO
> > > > history that may or may not have basis in fact.
> > > 
> > > Wanting to continue to believe that TMers were so 
> > > important that the CIA was after them transcends
> > > True Believerism.  That is, even those who have
> > > rejected the TM trip still want to believe they
> > > were important.
> > 
> > Except that, as I noted a few posts back, virtually
> > everyone who wasn't explicitly aligned with the U.S.
> > government suspected the CIA was spying on them.
> > 
> > It didn't have anything to do with wanting to believe
> > one was important, of course.  To the contrary--it
> > reflected the common judgment that the CIA was so
> > insane it didn't know the difference between what/who
> > was important and what/who was not.
> > 
> > > In other words, I suspect that the CIA, like 95%
> > > of the world's population, probably was unaware
> > > that something called TM even existed.  The desire
> > > to believe otherwise is in the minds of those who
> > > thought TM was important and still want to think
> > > that, even if they're not involved with it any more.
> > 
> > It was recently revealed that the Defense Department
> > had compiled a list of groups it considered threats.
> > Among them were a Quaker group and a vegan group.
> > 
> > When *government* paranoia goes off the charts, as it
> > did in the Nixon administration and now with the Bush
> > administration, to be spied on by the government is a
> > symptom of that paranoia, not of the importance of those
> > being spied on.
> 
> I think it's possible the CIA checked out the TMO in the 70s at the
> height of its influence - they check out lots of groups.  The 
issue is
> whether the CIA conducted a large-scale infiltration with the 
purpose
> of destroying the TMO, as MMY claims, happened.  That's getting 
into
> tinfoil hat territory I think.  Plus at least 1 of the people MMY
> identified as CIA - Roy Bachmeyer - clearly wasn't.  How many 
others
> did he point out??  Do any of them make any sense, what was that 
all
> about?
>

Well said.  Checking out an organisation -- perfectly legal and 
probably completely within their mission statement -- is one thing; 
infiltrating and engaging in illegal activities is something 
entirely different.







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