--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/24/06 12:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > > > shempmcgurk@ writes: > > > > > > > > Ortega, to his credit, has now denounced Marxism and has > > embraced > > > > free markets). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow , a liberal sees the light! > > > > > > Liberals love free markets. > > > > > > > > > > That's the classic definition of a "liberal" which is what many who > > are regarded as conservatives are today...and, by contrast, what is > > called a "liberal" today is one who does NOT love free markets but, > > rather, controls, such as what you go on to describe below... > > > > > > > > > > > They just don't go for controlled, rigged, > > > manipulated ones -- or where market costs go unaccounted for or > > > unpaid by market participants. > > > > While I understand your historical perspective, my take on many > conservatives is that they seek and endorse corporate welfare, large > goverment programs, regulations from which they profit, gov't imposed > barriers to entry in markets they are entrenched, gov't sanction > oligopolistic market structures,etc. Thats in contrast to older style > "real conservatives" who were great defenders of free markets - Milton > Friedman types.
Agreed...perhaps a better term for the "real conservatives" as you call them is "libertarians" or "anarcho-capitalists" such as Lew Rockwell. As for those that are for those negative things you list above, I wouldn't call them "capitalists" but "mercantilists". Mercantilism favors controls -- government or otherwise -- that serve to impede and restrict a free market and maintain the status quo; that is, it will tend to keep in place the "robber barons" as they were called in the past. In my opinion, these people are as bad as communists and are NOT free marketers. > > > Not to say that today's liberals are shining lights of integrity. But > most at least give lip service, and sometimes real support, to free > markets and competiton. I would love it if "liberals" would support free markets and competition. But I find that those who describe themselves as liberals are for all sorts of government control and interference. I always thought that liberals were more for controls than conservatives but I would happily be proven wrong. > > For example, breaking up monopolistic power (unless its a natural > monopoly, like utilities) I don't know if "natural monopoly" is the right term for a utility. Perhaps "regulated monopoly" is more apt. I think a "natural monopoly" would be one that arrived at its monopoly status without breaking the law. Contrary to popular belief, monopolies are NOT against the law...only monopolies that arrived at that state illegally. It's probably controversial to use this as an example but Microsoft is, I would say, an example of a "natural monopoly" in that they monopolize operating systems for PCs but arrived at that state without breaking laws (contrary to what Janet Reno -- who did NOT prevail in her fights against Microsoft -- said). > is a very free markets, pro competition > action. Many conservatives drag their feet on such, while liberals > support it. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
