Jim Flanegin:
> 1. determination of awakening, or not, of another is something
> sensed on a feeling level. Proclamations do no good, unless the
> person is walking the walk so to speak. Unfortunately it seems that
> the ones best able to see another's awakening are those who are
> awake themselves...

Vaj writes:
I don't know if I would describe it necessarily that way, but as just  
observing what's there: things arise, hang round and then subside.  
Later, I could make brief observations--maybe compare/contrast:  what  
was there, what wasn't. what was missing, etc.

Tom T:
Vaj seems to dismiss Jim obvious point. So lets summarize that point.
It takes one to know one. If vaj can't get what he was missing then he
obviously isn't one. If a group chooses to use a language that they as
a group have spent 30+ years becoming familiar with that is the choice
that group makes to make trying to say what can not be said at least
more coherent. The freshness is always in the individuals way of
saying it uniquely in there own words. If Vaj wasn't able to get that
or hear that then he again is making it clear he is not one who knows
and could not know one if it bit him in the *ss. Tom





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