On Mar 3, 2006, at 11:04 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 6:48 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: >> >>> 3) There are many paths and many mountians. Process is Product (LBS, >>> and to a degree others such as akasha/anon) >> >> Or... >> >> View (Darshana/"Rishi" or Experiential POV) determines Path >> determines Fruit (or Realization) >> >> which can also be shorthanded as "Enlightenment depends on View". >> >> or conversely >> >> View Determines Fruit. >> >> Ancillary observations: >> >> Different Darshanas or Views lead to different styles of Fruit or >> Realization >> >> Each distinct darshana will have it's own internal logic, unique to >> it's View, Path and Fruit. >> >> Correct View leads to gaining confidence in the View but this should >> not be mistaken as Enlightenment. >> >> Incorrect View can be ascertained and tested. >> >> Gradual methods generally take the approach of View -> Path -> Fruit >> >> "Sudden", or non-Dual methods place importance of correctly getting a >> glimpse of the non-dual Fruit, and *then applying the Fruit as the >> Path*. This is essentially a Pathless path, but it is in another >> sense, still a Path. Sometimes people on Pathless paths like to point >> this out to people on gradual Paths or even pretend (or are simply >> unaware of the fact) that Pathless Paths are still Paths. The idea of >> "no doer" can become a trap if one does not get the View of a >> Pathless path which uses non-meditation as it's method. Even though >> it is non-meditation (with no doer) this still is a sadhana (although >> hardly conventional in the searcher, searching on a path sense). To >> deny non-meditation as a method, ignores the fact that integration >> can progress, even in Unity. >> >> Amen. > > Amen brother (and sisters). > > Thank you for your insights. > > I am sure you have additonal comments on other DRAFT FFL Sutra points. > > May I take a stab at integrating your insights/realizations/knowledge > -- which btw, relate beyond point 3.3 -- into the perenial DRAFT FFL > Sutras, v1.1? >
That's a great idea, thanks for your insights. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
