On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing > > a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, > > there will--by it's very nature always be not only some > > dualism or some subtle meditational "effort" involved. > > To continue this morning's train of thought > in the context of meditation, perhaps a style > of meditation that involves trying to move > from "What is" to "What should be" (whether > that "should be" is coming back to the mantra > or achieving transcendence) is, in Buddhist > terms, indulging and thus perpetuating the > desire/aversion cycle and taking the actor > further away from immersion in "What is."
In Shamatha, the Buddhist style of transcendence-style meditation, they achieve the automatic stage of transcendence (like Judy describes in her experience) as an early stage in the overall scheme of things and then proceed to more and more stable and vivid investigations of "pure consciousness" until one simply transcends the entire session --and can do so for hours at a time. In Dzogchen- style Shamatha, one simply rests in the natural state. For people who do not require reference points (like a mantra, the breath, etc.) this can work quite well. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
