--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 11:25 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, but as I say, effortlessness in the TM sense > > > > > *can't* be an expectation. You can only expect > > > > > *something*, you can't expect *nothing*. Or to put > > > > > it another way, any expectation of effortlessness > > > > > that you might have wouldn't be effortlessness in the > > > > > TM experiential sense. An expectation is > > > > > intellectual; effortlessness isn't. Apples and > > > > > oranges. > > > > > > > > But you are the one who said that people who don't have YOUR > > > > experience haven't "gotten" TM. That's an expectation, by > > > > definition. > > > > > > An expectation of what? And how would it affect one's > > > practice? > > > > > > > Expectations effect everything we do. If you expect TM to include a > > certain kind of experience than you're practicing that experience. > > It is a form of mindfullness....As is "remembering" to bring > awareness back to the mantra or even once subconsciously conditioned > "automatic reacquisition" of the mantra impulse--called "patched" > placement and "close' placement in previous examples. >
Sure, but my OWN TM practice often varies quite a bit from the previous practice, and even from moment to moment within the same period of practice. Even mindfulness doesn't describe my practice at times where I can become aware that I'm not thinking the mantra and then realize that actually, I probably WAS thinking the mantra while other stuff was being thought as well. My realization that "I'm not thinking the mantra" often brings to mind something so subtle that its only by contrast that I feel even remotely comfortable with calling it "my mantra." At the other end of my experiences, Benson's relaxation response seems easy and spontaneous by comparison. And no doubt, I'll have/have had some other experiences as well. Etc.Etc.etc. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
