Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

[Vaj]

On Mar 14, 2006, at 6:05 PM, sparaig wrote: But even someportion of some concentrative technique is effortless so  what is the difference then? MMY has set up a training procedure that  helps bring people to a state of "letting" better than concentration,  but if someone using some slight effort in their practice, that's how  it is. You can't be dilligent about getting rid of effort! And to me,  assigning a value-judgement to the effortlessness/non-effortlessness  of their practice, assuming that they follow the instructions, is  definitely a value-judgement. Here's some more evidence of subtle effort for positive support of the practice of TM (from an old post here). It actually involved your post. These are classic elements of mindfulness (Rick uses the word "attentiveness") to prevent laxity, a common, helpful element in numerous forms of meditation: [FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras Rick Archer Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:32:08 -0700 on 6/25/05 9:49 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>  >> It would be interesting to hear others experiences in the area of TM >> and laxity. >  > Well, aside from the advice given that people who find themselves sleeping a > lot during TM  > should sleep more BEFORE TM? >  > BTW, I go through periods where I sleep a lot during program, and periods > where I don't  > seem to sleep much. What is your explanation for that other than MMY's, that > the  > condition of my nervous system is different from time to time? On the Santa Barbara ATR (winter 71-72) I told M that I fell asleep in most of my meditations. He said "Some physical weakness. Try to remove the cause." On my 6 month course (Courcheval, Spring-Fall 1975) M said that he was going to try to turn us into yogis in 6 months. Two things he recommended were cold baths and sitting up without back support in meditation. I think both of these, especially the latter, were prescriptions to combat laxity. (He also said we were in a race or a contest to see who could purify the fastest, and to help us he had us fasting and trying all sorts of healers brought in from around Europe). I think the no effort thing is most relevant to grosser levels of experience, i.e., new meditators. At subtle levels effort also isn't appropriate, but attentiveness is. The advanced technique where you focus on the heart area is certainly a form of attentiveness. I also find that some gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes a big difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending. At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, "Be easy to us with gentle effort." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.