--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > Huh, but one can have the "outward stroke" for the full > > > > 20 minutes of TM practice and still be practicing TM > > > > absolutely correctly. > > > > > > Good luck with that! > > > > So Judy and I have been correct: you really never learned TM, > > regardless of what classes/courses you took on the subject. > > So you believe that to have "learned TM" properly, > you have to believe all the *dogma* about TM that > was taught to you? > > That's what you're saying, in effect. What you've > just said isn't about the mechanics of TM, but > about what you were told in the lectures *about* > TM. It's THEORY. Vaj has a *different* theory, > based on his subsequent experience. I think that > in the biz, that's known as an OPINION. :-)
Theoretical or not, I was taught that that particular experience during TM practice was just as valid as any other. Vaj was implying (and later clarified) that its not a good experience. > > Are you so weak in your *own* practice that you > have to suggest that anyone who doesn't believe > the same dogma you believe is "doing TM wrong?" What dogma? The dogma that says that any ole experience during TM practice is as good as any other? > That IS what you are suggesting. I mean, think > this through, dude...if TM is as automatic as > you have maintained in the past, and as free from > the need to "believe in it," then a person could > be practicing it as taught and believe that any > benefits come from tiny green gophers who, as one > thinks the mantra, scurry around the brain eating > up any unruly neurons in the brain. Of course. However, any theory that "explains" TM needs to preservethe essence of TM. I don't think yours does, unless you can link it to the anything goes aspect of TM practice. > > Your position is based on an assumption, also > one that you were TOLD, that TM "works" by dis- > solving stress. Some of us, based on our exper- > ience with other techniques and with higher > states of consciousness, don't believe that this > is true. Therefore, to us, the benefit of any > form of meditation, *including* TM, is a direct > result of how effectively the practice leads to > transcendence. We believe *that* (the amount of > time spent in transcendence) is the mechanism > that affects change, *not* sitting there lost in > thought. This conflicts with the TM dogma, but it > may be correct. It's a matter of belief, not fact. > Sure, but within the TM explanation, its a perfectly valid meditation episode. You're merely objecting to it being valid becuase YOUR theories don't jive with it. > Stop this stuff. You're too intelligent to have > to stoop to this sort of argument. It's *permis- > sible* to have different opinions on the theory > behind TM, *especially* if, as in Vaj's case, > he has other experiences *besides* TM to base > his theory on, and is not (as in your case) > basing them completely on what he was TOLD. Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. > > As I suggested to t3rinity lately, and as he > seems to have taken to heart, you'd make a much > stronger case for your beliefs if you found a > way to present them positively than if you just > react in a knee-jerk fashion by trying to "defend" > them by demonizing the person who believes > differently, or who is presenting a different > set of beliefs. But when you react by trying to > say that the other person's opinion is fatally > flawed, and that they "never learned properly," > all you reveal is your own dependence on dogma > and doing what you were told. You're better > than that. > Lol. The most blind is often the one who complains about everyone else being blind. Have you ever noticed that, I wonder? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
