On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:10 PM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't
> need
> > > > > anything else...
> > > >
> > > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> > > >
> > > > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra
> in
> > > > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > > > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught
> in
> > > TM.
> > > > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting
> beliefs?
> >
> > Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm
> > concerned.
> >
> > Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition
> of
> > witnessing (sakshin).
>
> OK, what is the "full definition of witnessing"and how do you know
> that none of them are able to demonstrate it given that you don't
> know who these people are?
>
> Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic
> > Consciousness").
>
> See above.
>
> There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.
> > Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long
> > while, it's not that great IMO.
> >

I suggest you look into it yourself. I don't have time to argue and  
listen to the whining.



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