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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <no_reply@>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz
> > > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have
> > > > people stare at him until they hallucinated:
> > > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ).
> > >
> > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience.
> >
> > A hallucination can also be an experience.
> >
> > > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-)
> >
> > Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read enough
> > such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books.
>
> Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more
> than to believe my experiences with Rama were
> hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe
> this.
That really has nothing to do with happiness. Unlike others it doesn't
make me happy if others fail. Just pointing out that 'seeing'
something, and 'being there' is in no way contradictory to
hallicunation. Thats simply its definition: 'Seeing' something that is
not there, and believing it to be 'there'
> I have no such option. I was there.
You were there that for sure. You may believe whatever you want about
it, but as you base your experiential superiority to Bob upon it, you
might allow others to question your 'experience'
> And that's pretty much all I have to say about that.
That is, that you believe you saw something to be really there, which
makes you feel you can talk with authority on the subject, while
others talking about similar thing, you insinuate, do so only because
they can't have experiences about it, otherwise they wouldn't talk
about it, right? But, after all, you can't talk with authority about
it, because you may have just been hallucinating. And further, your
insinuate that they, who didn't have such experiences/hallucinations?
couldn't have other more valid spiritual experiences. While I
completely agree with Trungpa, that such talk is just a distraction
from essential spiritual experiences, (like love and compassion for
ones fellow spiritual travellers), you insinuate Michael and Bob
couldn't have such experiences either.
Barry, with you its all about: I have experiences, you (TMers) don't
have. In fact you have assimilated MMYs message to a high degree, but
just inverted it, and use it as munition against TM. For example your
onepointedness to switch every topic to trash TM, or your whole
Experience vs Belief/Religion act.
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