>
> I simply disagree with you, and see much of what you have written
> above as invalid from my point of view.
In the "above", I made five basic points.
1) I rarely accept unprovable assertions as a priori true.
2) "Many paths" leads "many peaks" is a distinct possibility.
3) It improves communications if posters define the terms that they
use, particularly those with many meanings.
4) Use of terms such as "Enlightenment" and "Awakening" have little
value if the type of "Enlightenment" and "Awakening", per the
attributes implicitly referred to, are not identified.
5) The above (point 4) is particularly true because FFL is a forum
with strong TM roots. If one is using terms such as "Enlightenment"
and "Awakening", or claiming realization of such a state, but with
attributes different from the 18 or so that the TMO / MMY uses, its
honest and an act of integrity to clarify that distinction. To not do
so is a type of logical fallacy, if not slight of hand.
Specifically, which of the above five points do you disagree with?
If much of the above is invalid from your point of view, it seems to
be quite an odd and restrictive POV.
Is this the POV stemmming from the "bedrock of your Awakening". If so,
it raises many questions, on several levels as to the secret
attributes of your Awakening and why such attributes create such a
restrictive POV.
I have never come across any form of Awakening that is either so
secretive, or so restrictive as to makes fairly mainstream points (1-5
above), "invalid".
> If my lack of acceptance of your belief system, that one should
> clarify their Enlightenment against a list of terms, or personally
> adhere to a set of imposed criteria,
How odd. Where did you get the idea that i) the (directly) above
sparse points would comprise a belief system, and ii) that these are
my beliefs?
How many times do I have to say it. I have no set critera for
"Enlightenment" or "Awakening". These are not terms I use. You do use
these terms. Thus, I am simply asking for clarification on how the
enlightenment attributes that you are experiencing differ from the 18
attributes MMY and the TMO have used.
There is no wrong answer. You have personally defined enlightenment to
consist of certain attributes that you experinece. Why is the
question, "what are these attriburtes?" such a hard question for you?
You are claiming some "secret attribute" enlightenment.
How can possibly I deny or accept something that is a secret? But
acceptance and denial are neither germane or a question at hand. I
accept that you feel you are enlightened. I am simply asking what
attributes do you experience that lead you to conclude that you are
enlightened.
To assist you, I provided a list of 18 MMY has used. Just say which
are included in your personal definition and experience of
enlightenment and any others that you use in your definition which are
not on the list. I fail to see the cause of your reluctance nor the
difficulty of the task.
You have said the sole reason that you talk about your enlightenment
is to let people know its achievable. But all you have revealed is
that your enlightenment is different than the one MMY refers to. Other
than that, the attributes of your enlightenment are double super
secret. Why would that inspire anyone?
You appear to be saying: "I want to let all of you know that I am a
living example that enlightenment can be achieved. Its different than
MMY's enlightenment, and I am not going to tell you anything about my
enlightenemnt or its attributes. But rest assured, it IS achievable."
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