"The enlightened person, according to MMY's teaching, doesn't make mistakes *from nature's "perspective"*; but it's entirely possible for nature to "want" the enlightened person to make a mistake, for nature's own unfathomable purposes (e.g., to nudge the person's followers into using their own judgment)."
I could never get this excuse to fly when I was married. How does he pull this off? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" <coshlnx@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > However, there could be a good deal of semantic > > > > > ambiguity here, in light of how MMY defines Unity > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > In other words: Does he have the ability to want to > > > > > do siddhis on demand, independently of what nature > > > > > "wants"? > > > > > > > > > If he is enlightened, then what nature wants and what he does > > are > > > > the same thing; indistinguishable. > > > > > > This is speculation, not a trace of evidence for it. > > Just to clarify the context, it had to do with > whether what MMY teaches is internally consistent, > not whether what he teaches is "true." > > Equally > > > speculative but not as much based on flawed authorities like MMY > > > would be the statement that among the unenlightened, and the E'd, > > > there are varying degrees of "what nature wants". <snip> Please, > > no "MMY said so" - therefore it must be true!. > > > > This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi > > [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to > > this phenomenon as transference), and then based on that assumption, > > interpret what Maharishi says as true, often misintepreting and > > misunderstanding what the guru says. > > It's the second part of this that causes the > most trouble, IMO. At least (again) in the context > of what MMY teaches, the dictum that enlightened > people "don't make mistakes" is frequently > misunderstood (and MMY hasn't done a whole lot > to clarify it). The enlightened person, > according to MMY's teaching, doesn't make > mistakes *from nature's "perspective"*; but it's > entirely possible for nature to "want" the > enlightened person to make a mistake, for > nature's own unfathomable purposes (e.g., to > nudge the person's followers into using their > own judgment). > > > > > > Another point to make for you: argue for your limitations and they > > are yours. > > > > > > > > That is one of the completely different ways of functioning of > > an > > > > enlightened person. Before enlightenment, it is all intention > > based > > > > on ego, which is not a bad thing, just a lot harder. > > > > > > > > After enlightenment, there is not much ownership, it is just > > easier > > > > to do what nature wants because it is easiest to support nature, > > > and > > > > in turn nature supports us. I know it sounds crazy, but it is > > > simply > > > > the way it is. So intention exists, and desires exist and > > dedicated > > > > thought and action exist, but supported by nature. It is just > > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
