--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; > > > > > the "different experience" premise may "multiply > > > > > entities beyond necessity." The explanation that the > > > > > TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is > > > > > reported in the historical literature is simpler than > > > > > one that posits two completely different types of > > > > > experience that are described the same way. > > > > > > > > Ironically, I'm starting to suspect that there IS the > possibility > > > that different meditation > > > > techniques, rather than eventually inducing the same state, are > > > actually inducing different > > > > states that can be described the same way. > > > > > > How could there possibly be more than one state with > > > no attributes? > > > > PHysiological state may not be exactly the same as mental state. > > PTSD-related rerealization can sound just like TM-style > > enlightenment, for example, but there appear to > > be radically different brain mechanisms behind them. > > Yes, but neither derealization nor TM-style enlightenment > is a state with no attributes, since both include the > ordinary waking state (and in the case of derealization, > that may be *all* that's included). > > I'm talking *only* about transcendental consciousness > by itself. >
There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have "no qualities" that one can remember. If you can't remember any qualities, than its a state without qualities. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
