--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My response was that, yes, I would have known after > > some period of practice, based only on my experience > > of the sutra. At least in my case, Curtis's assumption > > about the role of the "hype" is in error. > > > > Does Curtis acknowledge this? Of course not. He even > > claims my experience has nothing to do with it--despite > > the fact that this is what he was asking about in the > > first place. > > > > He also says he would describe his experience the same > > way. If so, even his *own* experience shows that the > > assumption in his rhetorical question is in error. > > None of us has experienced flying without the hype so your point is > meaningless.
If that's the case, your question was meaningless as well. > You are making a claim without any basis in fact. You were asking a question that could not be answered on the basis of "fact" (scare quotes because you don't accept that subjective experiences are facts). > You don't know what you would experience without the hype. So why did you ask what I would have experienced without the hype?? > I acknowledged > that there are moments in flying that feel like you might stay up. > But it NEVER happens does it? I don't know, and neither do you. It hasn't happened *so far*, to me, as I said. Whether it "NEVER happens" is something neither of us cay say. > It is just a feeling. It was a > rhetorical question. So why did you try to answer it? Why did you ask it in the first place? > (Definition: A > question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical > effect.) I don't think you can possibly be suggesting that one therefore must refrain from pointing out that the assumption on which the rhetorical question is based is flawed--can you? > Judy I will never understand you personally. My post was very > carefully written not to be rude to you personally. Note that I did not complain about rudeness. I complained about your lack of integrity in debating TM issues, which is exhibited in what you just said, as well as the rest of your response to my post. Or perhaps you're chiding me for being so rude as to call your integrity into question. So sorry you're offended. Get over it. Or try to observe higher standards of integrity. > You seem like you > enjoy discussing things with people who see the world completely > differently, and then you get all pissed off. I get pissed off when people don't engage in honest discussion. > If you are right about flying it will be my loss. If I'm right about *what* about flying? All I've said, all along, is that I don't rule it out. > So give me a break with the personal attacks. Give *me* a break with your dishonest debating tactics. > I don't think anyone will fly. So what? So what indeed? It *could* be interesting to discuss the pros and cons of what degree of disbelief is appropriate for a scientifically minded person. But you can't engage in that kind of discussion *honestly*. > Your attack on my personal integrity is just proof > that you cannot tolerate people with other points of > view. ROTFL!! Speaking of illogic and dishonest debating tactics... And this is from a guy who claims to employ the scientific approach. What my "attack" on your personal integrity proves is that I perceive you to have very low standards of integrity when you're discussing TM issues. It has *nothing* to do with my ability to tolerate people with other points of view (unless the difference in points of view has to do with whether it's OK to use sleazy debating tactics, a perspective I most certainly do not tolerate). I have NO PROBLEM with somebody having a different point of view as long as they present and argue it HONESTLY. I didn't have any problem with your having a different point of view in our earlier discussion of the Schroedinger quote; I didn't perceive you to use dishonest tactics there. Why is there such a change for the worse with you whenever TM is the topic of discussion? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
