--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:28 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <groups@> wrote: > >> > >> on 8/5/06 8:51 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm sure some former or current TM with SSRS might > >>> have some cognitive dissonance and might be using the > >>> above to lessen the dissonance. But the relationship > >>> between MMY and SSRS is something between them. What > >>> MMY says about SSRS publically is one thing and what > >>> he says about him privately is another. By the way, I > >>> always thought that MMY's comment about SSRS, > >>> "Meditators should watch out for sugar-coated poison." > >>> was quite the compliment. This is one of those > >>> "guru-speak" things. I say this because of my direct > >>> experiences with MMY as "Blazing Brahman" and my > >>> direct experiences with SSRS as "Blazing Brahman." MMY > >>> couldn't say something negative about SSRS if he > >>> tried. > >>> > >> Sure he could. Brahman is a field of all possibilities. I think he > >> was > >> clearly trying to convey the message to TM meditators who might be > >> tempted > >> to get involved with SSRS, or who already had, that although he > >> seems sweet, > >> you¹ll end up regretting your involvement. Not saying that¹s true, > >> but > >> that¹s the obvious purport of his words. > >> > > > > The EEG studies that they published show it has a radically > > different effect than TM does. > > Are you implying that those doing SSRS's Sahaj meditation are > different than TM, even though they're doing the same technique?\\
There's very little published research on Sahaj meditation, and how do you know they're doing the same technique? Have you taken the course? I know plenty ofpeople who have taken TM who think that Benson's Relaxation Response is identical to TM, so I don't trust others' judgement on these matters. > > If so that's interesting because it would likely explain possible > bias in TM researchers looking for something they were told to find > or misinterpreting something as unique when it is not. It would > really explain a lot. > > Of course there is no reason why the two should not be identical. If > you are really interested in science, this should have been a red flag. Two things: SSRS's main technique, the one I wsa referring to, is a pranayama technique. Also, it is only hearsay that his meditation technique is identical to TM. > > Is that what you are saying, that TM EEG results are "radically > different" from SSRS's research findings? On the subject of his main technique, the pranayama, yes. I'm not aware of any research on his meditation technique... Ah., one medline hit for sahaj. No EEG research, so no comparison can be made: Effect of Sahaj Yoga on depressive disorders. Sharma VK, Das S, Mondal S, Goswampi U, Gandhi A. Department of Physiology, Vardhaman Mahavir Medical College, New Delhi--110 029. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sahaj Yoga is a meditative technique that has been found to have beneficial effects in some psycho-somatic illnesses. The study was carried out on 30 cases (19 Males, 11 females, age 18-45 years) of major depression diagnosed on the basis of DSM IV criteria. The patients were then randomly divided into two groups: Group 1: (10 Males & 5 Females) Patients who were practising Sahaj Yoga and also received conventional anti- depressants. Group 2: (9 Males & 6 Females) Patients who were only receiving conventional anti-depressants. Training in Sahaj yoga was conducted under the supervision of a trained Sahaj Yogi for 8 weeks. At start of the study, all the patients were subjected to Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HAM-D) and Hamilton Rating Scale for Anxiety (HAM-A). Above scales were again assessed after two months of treatment. There was significant improvement in HAM-D as well as HAM-A scores in both Group 1 and Group 2 patients (P<0.001). However, percentage improvement in HAM-D scores and HAM-A scores in patients receiving Sahaj Yoga was significantly higher than in Group 2 patients. The number of patients who went into remission after two months of intervention were also significantly higher in Group 1 patients (P=0.02). The present study demonstrates that Sahaj Yoga has got a potential role as a component in the management of depressive disorders. PMID: 16579401 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > This may help other researchers eliminate interpretational bias. > > > All the things that MMY advocates appear to have much the same > > effect: inducement of > > alpha EEG coherence, especially in the frontal lobes. This > > includes, according to a demo > > that Fred Travis recently gives, things like listening to chanting > > of the Rig Veda. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
