--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/22/06 1:56 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we > > are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and support the > > notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who > > regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his > > experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. > > > Remember MMY¹s term ³babbling saint²?
Not paticulary, but i get your point. Stories from Kumba Mela of "odd ones". However, MMY does not appear to be holding as a general rule that babbling "fools" are prime candidates for his defined TMO/MMY styles of enlightenments. Clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points have ben pointed to by him as highly useful. I think his words ere even as far as "necessary" for enlightenment (and proper understanding / interpretation of it (per his TMO/MMY style of enlightenment.) >From classic literature and other teachers, a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points are also deemed, at a minimum, highly useful, in their defined "liberations". So it appears a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points appears to be associated with a very high percentage of those liberated, but perhaps not 100%. Thus, while these qualities are highly useful for liberation, there are other factors. So one can't say such qualities predict high states and liberation is high. However, lack of such qualities may well predict the absence of high states and liberation. That is, per MMY, other teachers, and classical literature, "enlightenment" [per their system] are found difficult, if not impossible, for those without a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points. >I¹m not agreeing that Jim doesn¹t have > good communication skills, communications skills is not the primary issue -- rather its a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points. > but even if he didn¹t that wouldn¹t necessarily > say anything about his level of consciousness. So its a probablistic thing. Thus I would refine and then agree with your statement, "but even if he didn¹t have a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points, that wouldn¹t necessarily say that he was not fully liberated. It just says its unlikely." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
