"What you are putting forth basically means the end of any and all honest communication."
Wow, you hit that one out of the park Sal. High five. What would have taken me pages summed up in one short phrase. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 27, 2006, at 9:07 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:29 AM, authfriend wrote: > >>> > >>> P.S.: Notice, once again, that Barry has conflated > >>> "What MMY sez..." (or in this case, "What MMY > >>> may have meant...") with "What MMY sez is true." > >> > >>> It's really a very obvious distinction, but Barry > >> simply cannot seem to make it. > >> > >> OK, Judy so then you think MMY goes around stating things > >> he thinks are *lies*? > > > > I don't pretend to know whether he does, actually, > > but that has nothing to do with the point I was > > making. "Is true" in my formulation refers to what > > the person quoting MMY believes, not what MMY > > believes. It's likely that someone who believes > > what MMY says is true also assumes that MMY believes > > it, but that's beside the point. > > OK... > > >> The distinction may be obvious, but I guess I don't quite > >> understand. You've said this now so many times I'd like to > >> know what it is you're driving at. > > > > It's *so* obvious that I'm not quite sure how to > > make it any clearer. > > > > When a person quotes MMY (or anybody else, for > > that matter), they can (a) simply be reporting > > what he says without offering an opinion about > > whether they believe what he says is true, or > > (b) indicating that they believe what they're > > quoting him as saying is true, or even (c) > > indicating that they believe what they're quoting > > him as saying is *not* true. It depends on the > > context. > > > > Barry and some others here automatically assume > > that when a TMer says "MMY says..." the TMer is > > expressing their belief that whatever they're > > quoting MMY as saying is true. But that, of > > course, isn't necessarily the case. > > > > If it isn't clear from the context (e.g., "MMY > > says X, but that's a load of crap," or "MMY says > > do X, so you'd better start doing X right away"), > > at the very least you'd want to *ask* whether they > > believe what they're quoting is true. They might > > believe it, they might not believe it, they might > > think it was likely, they might think it *wasn't* > > likely, or they might have no earthly idea. And > > in many cases what they think on that issue may > > not even be relevant to the point they're making. > > Judy, you are making distinctions with no visible difference at all. > You're implying that people *may* go around routinely saying things > they may or may not believe, so that invalidates what Barry (and > others) claim MMY said. That's insane. *Nobody* in the world goes > around appending "and what I just said I firmly believe to be true," to > every statement, or to any of them for that matter. Most people say > what they believe to be true at that point in time-- unless they are > purposely trying to deceive--and leave it at that. It's what most > communication is based on. What you are putting forth basically means > the end of any and all honest communication. > > If this is what you really believe, how to you ever get a conversation > going with anyone? > > Sal > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
