--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for this link. It doesn't seem to me that this is more than > the a priori claim that I used to make as a teacher, that TM is > different from any other meditation. What is the sample size that Fred > is claiming represents all other practices of meditation that he has > studied in this way? If his claim was correct it would really matter > who he chose, how long they had practiced. Can you imagine the fuss > that would be made if an anti TM advocate chose me as the TM guy in > the study? So for all I know he choose the village idiot of Tibetian > meditators to prove his point.
He chose the most touted study on Buddhist meditation, where the monks had practiced their technique for up to 50,000 hours over a period of decades... > > His conclusions about what this different activity in the brain means > is right out of MMY's play book. I don't know if this is the accepted > interpretation of what such activity means or if there is universal > consensus on these points. His conclusion about how this will effect > us after meditation is just an old MMY claim. I just don't buy that > this has been studied with enough other groups to know this. I am > having trouble seeing this as real science rather than advocacy > marketing playing on the public's lack of familiarity with neuro > science. I've run into researchers on Zen meditation who have speculated that satori is based on what Fred says is the case during TM. However, the Zen meditator-researchers say that it is a very rare occurance. As all TMers know (or at least many do), samadhi is quite common during TM: it doesn't matter--go back to meditating. > > I don't doubt that TM has some benefits. I do doubt that they are > substantially different from other passive relaxation practices. Most > people seem to drop TM just as they do most self help programs and > techniques. If it was so superior it seems like it would have more > staying power. > Why? most people want isntant effects. Other meditation practices DO provide instant effects. You get the feedback of kundalini rising, or flashes of bliss, etc. I've no doubt that the SSRS techniques work in that they make you feel really good really fast. But is that enlightenment, or Just Another Buddha To Kill? > I will watch some of the other videos.Is there one comparing TM to > hypnosis? > Why would there be? The TMO doesn't sponsor such research. And do a pubmed search on the physiology of hypnosis. Generally, you either find "no consistent effect" OR you find effects rather different from TM. Certainly, there's no report of TM-like samadhi ala breath suspension or thalamic activty reduction. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
