I believe we were using a Muller (is it Mueller?) translation of the 9th and 10th mandala. Some of the mandalas were censored because of their "sexual" content. One example is in a 10th mandala sukta "...as a frog desires water, flow Indu for Indra." What is left out is the phrase, "...as a hairy cleft desires a penis..." I guess the Mother Divine ladies would pop a stich if they heard that.
--- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Well, it's all about pride and arrogance, in these > cases... > Having just traveled through the 'Badlands' of North > Dakota; > Just reminds me of another place and time: > Custer's Last Stand... > Those Euro's considered themselves quite superior to > the savages, > those tree hugging natives... > Same attitude, I guess- > Primarily British- "A bloody shame", really, and > truely. > R.G. > > .....(snippy > In case you hadn't noticed, > the man believes > that the British > > > > deliberately rewrote parts of the > > > > > vedic literature over a 150 year period in > order to destroy > > > > Hinduism...>>> > > > > > > > > He may actually be right about that. There was > one Victorian > > British > > > > officer in India that deliberately > mistranslated some vedic > > > > literature for the purpose of specifically > advancing the > > christian > > > > superiority complex over the hindu, and > attempting to > > deliberately > > > > denegrate hinduism. This officer (I forgot his > name) is recorded > > in > > > > letters and official documents that that was > his specific aim > > and he > > > > was proud of his actions, and no-one > questioned his actions at > > the > > > > time.. > > > > > > > > OffWorld > > > > > > > > > > > > > His tenure lasted 150 years?>> > > > > No, but the influence of this and other European > arrogancies did. > > > > Not long after the time of the British governer's > (whatever title > > given) attempt to re-write some vedic writings to > deliberately, > > systematically, and proudly, subordinate it to > christianity....Max > > Muller, the hugely German scholar, for decades > largely demened and > > incorrectly downgraded the Vedic culture's > presence and stature in > > the region. So much so that to this day there is > still an old school > > of respected scholars who still believe that the > vast epics of the > > Vedas and Vedic tradition were largely the > campfire stories of some > > wandering Afghan peasant sheepherders and their > marauding heirs. > > However, the MAJORITY of modern scholarly thought > is now realising > > that the Vedas were in India long before any > Afghan migration. But > > Max Muller (along with other British repressions > and other European > > short-sightedness) was a HUGE figure in Vedic > scholarly field (even > > among westernised Indian scholars) and only very > recently is being > > toppled from his god-like status towards a less > pompous and humbled > > view of the vedic culture on the part of western > scholars. > > (I really wanted to study this whole thing as a > PHD, and travel to > > India to delve deeper into it, and write a book, > but I don't suppose > > I ever will now) > > QUOTE: > > ""Max Muller represented the bes, and at times the > worst, of > > nineteenth-century intellectual life. His work in > the origins and > > growth of language, mythology, and religion, > typified Victorian > > armchair scholarship: bold, adventurous, > pioneering, sometimes > > triumphalistic, but always convinced of its social > and cultural > > superiority. To be sure, there is much to admire, > much to despise, > > and much to be embarrassed by, in the antiquated > scholarship of the > > Victorian era as a whole. But as a pivotal period > in the history of > > human ideas, the historical and intellectual > import of its scholarly > > literature should not be ignored by historians or > summarily > > dismissed by present-day researchers as utterly > worthless. Rather, > > it should be read and understood within its own > social and cultural > > context. In the case of the voluminous and, at the > time, influential > > writings of Friedrich Max Muller, this observation > proves no less > > true. 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