Great post Rory, thanks. This is why I post here, to hear where people are at, how they view the world these days. Your openness in expressing your experiences is greatly appreciated. I too place a high value in expressing positive friendliness and your post has that quality in spades! As a person dedicated to non-spiritual experiences, it is always a nice stretch to hear someone like yourself who is so comfortable in that world and obviously having a blast. High five on that. Laughter and joy binds us all together in a way that anyone can relate to, no matter what their philosophy or perspective. Finding rapport with people from radically different perspectives is my version of Unity. It enriches my life.
When I was writing about my love of communicating with animals I didn't want to imply that it was like a siddhi power. I think Steve Irwin believed he had a subtle connection with animals. For me it is a lifetime of observations made in delightful appreciation of animals. I learned about bird's posture language by having a few birds and watching how they made friends with each other in a ritual of posture and use of eye contact. I spend time making friends with parrots in pet stores and have two friend's who rescue parrots, so I get a lot of practice making friends with birds who would like to take my finger off at first. Seeing them transform into trusting, loving creatures is a peak experience for me. I live with a hybrid Asian Leopard Cat, a bengal. and an Abyssinian now. They both are obedient like dogs though communication and training. People underestimate cat's abilities for training. You just have to know their game. I think it makes them happier pets to have rich communication. Posting on FFL has allowed me to revisit all the old terminology of consciousness to see how I feel about it these days, what I can relate to, and what I don't feel anymore. The human connection is primary. I really appreciate that you seem to hold that value too. I'll keep enjoying your posts and thanks for taking the time to post twice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > Hi Rory, > > > > I have been reading your posts with considerable interest. I don't > > know if you have any desire to communicate with a person who is > > unenlightened (and loves it) but if you care to respond, I would > > appreciate it. > > Hi, Curtis! Great to meet you; I have been enjoying your posts since > you joined FFL. I have already responded to this post of yours once > in some detail, but my reply got swallowed up by (some) Yahoo, so I > will try again. > > Consciously loving where you are *is* enlightenment, as far as I am > concerned. But if you are "unenlightened," then so am I, as there is > only one of Us; denying yourself is denying me. So I'll make a deal > with you -- I will agree to be unenlightened in your world with you, > if you will agree to be simultaneously enlightened in mine, with > me :-) > > C: > It seems from your statement above that you can perform siddhis > (non > > trademarked spelling respected) but don't desire it. > > R: Not exactly. It's not that I "can" perform siddhis; siddhis get > performed if the spontaneous desire arises. I have no control over > what I truly desire; nor can I demonstrate them for another if the > genuine desire/need in both of Us isn't there. If there is > sufficient grace-flow between Us, anything can happen :-) > > C: For a > > materialistic guy like me, it would be the ability to actually > fly, as > > one example, that would really take the whole discussion of higher > > states of consciousness to another level for me. > > R: I understand that. For four years after I awoke, I had a burning > desire to fly, and I bent all of my inquiry in that direction. > Finally after some internal stages and an intermediary external > stage (Tibetan Stride), I spontaneously wondered what it would like > to be an Ascended Master, and THEN flew, ONCE, lifting off, > dematerializing, eventually rematerializing and dropping back to > earth (completely blowing my bodymind all over again; there were > four of us participating). Since then, the desire has not arisen, at > least for me as an individual. > > I have once or twice desired that all the course participants (my > particles) fly, and experienced an immediate outpouring of Bliss > throughout the Dome and coherent hopping like crazy, but so far, > that's it. I can't push it from my side, except by loving attention > to all my particles. The bottom line is, I don't generally really > care if I can fly, or even if you can fly. What I care about is how > much you unconditionally love me/yourself and my/your creation. The > rest is gravy :-) > > C: The rest of the > > language about your awakening is of a subjective nature that is > harder > > for me to relate to as meaningful to my own experience. But the > > rubber-meets-the-road proof that there are such things as higher > > states of consciousness with higher abilities are, according to > MMY, > > the performance of siddhis like actual flying. If everyone who > gets > > awakened decides that they don't desire to fly, it is really the > same > > as me claiming that I can in my unenlightened state, but choose not > > to. > > R: And that would be entirely accurate from my POV, except for > the "unenlightened" part :-) > > C: I thought they were meant to be tests of the state of > consciousness. > > R: Yes, but they are subjective tests -- until we have enlightened > enough of our particles to mutually enjoy a consensus (objective) > reality. The siddhis are spontaneous fulfillments of spontaneous > desires. They appear quite ordinary, from our standard POV. Did you > think that communicating with animals *wasn't* a siddhi? :-) > > C: > On a broader note, thanks for sharing your experiences. I am > happy > > for you if you are in a cool place mentally that you enjoy. I am > > also, so we share that joy of being in a good place with our sense > of > > self. > > R: That's what it's all about :-) > > C: These days more and more people are describing experiences that > > sound like yours. As a 15 year serious MMY practicer, and now 17 > year > > drop-out from all his programs, > > R: *lol* Gotcha beat -- I was a 24-year drop-out from all of his > programs! The joke was on me though -- the fact is *you can't drop > out* -- if you are following yourSelf, you're doing what MMY wants > you to do. The grace-flow continues, doesn't it? My guess is, > you "dropped out" when you woke up into spontaneous practice...:-) > > C: I appreciate any time you take to > > answer my questions. I am not just a garden variety A-hole trying > to > > bust your balls about being enlightened. Although I might view > what > > it all means differently, I respect your experiences and dig the > fact > > that you seem to be having a great time, as I am, in this > wonderful world. > > R: Amen, brother! Amen. Heart to Heart. :-) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
