--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> new.morning <no_reply@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jim_flanegin"
> <jflanegi@>
> > > wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > The way all of this makes sense to me is
> both the absolute
> and
> > > > > relative 'pieces' of existence are equal,
> because it is
> through
> > > the
> > > > > relative that I can perceive the absolute,
> > > >
> > > > Which implies, if i understand you, that you
> need a nervous
> > > system, a
> > > > refinedone at that, to "percieve the
> absolute". Dr. Pete
> > > strenuously
> > > > disagrees. Someone is misprecieving whats
> going on.
> > >
> > > The relationship between what Peter says and
> what I have said is
> > > that I need my eyes to see (Jim), but I can only
> see if my eyes
> are
> > > open (Peter).
> >
> > I don't see how that addreses peters contention
> that a nervous
> > system is not necessary to "percieve the
> absolute", that
> refinement of
> > the nervous system has nothing to do with
> "perceiving" Pure
> > Consciousness.
>
> Hi, Peter will have to continue this if he wants to.
What I argue is that you can't build a conceptual
model of the mechanics of Self realization using
concepts grounded in waking state. Self realization
understood through waking state concepts is usually a
"useful fiction" used to facilitate your commitment to
a particular spiritual practice. Once realization has
occured the fiction is automatically dropped because
it no longer has any meaning.
I also argue that pure consciousness is not
dependent upon any relative aspect of existence (e.g.,
a nervous system) to experience its own nature.
Consciousness is "supportless." Consciousness is the
support, as it were, of all relative existence.
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