--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now I get it. I'm going with "lower than Vedic whale shit" for my sig > from now on. > (funny image of a whale trying the Indian way of using a toilet using his left flipper..... never mind - :)
LOL! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > So you're saying that I can't occassionally sign my messages as a > > > 'former vedic surf' anymore, right? :) > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > I think we all can use that signiture in this group John! > > > > > > > > > > No, nooo, nooooo! I meant that if we westerners are *lower* than > > untouchables and/or the 'unseen' then I can't use the word *vedic*. > > And 'former surf' just doesn't seen right.... It's such a quandry, but > > I'm sure for a quarter million or so someone will straighten it out... > > Rectify my house or my genes or my wife or something.... > > > > (LOL) > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree that other cultures can be totally classist, and the > poor of > > > > > every society have it very tough. I can also see the value of > > passing > > > > > down a family business or even profession. But the cruel > > rigidity of > > > > > the caste system for the lower castes was fought by Buddha and > > Gandhi > > > > > because they opposed its effects that they witnessed. There may > > be an > > > > > abstract religious honor credited to the lower castes but there > > is no > > > > > wealth. > > > > > > > > > > My understanding is that Guru Dev's camp was anti Gandhi for this > > > > > reason. As we know it was a Hindu fundamentalist who knocked > Gandhi > > > > > off. ( I am not making an off-the-wall accusation here!) MMY > > believes > > > > > that the present caste system is improperly applied today > because of > > > > > ignorance and his A of E will make it all work wonderfully. The > > > > > system seems fine to doctors sons, but not so fine for a leather > > > > > tanner shudra who has an interest in becoming something else. > I'll > > > > > bet the tech boom is blowing some of these class barriers down > over > > > > > there just as it did here. > > > > > > > > > So you're saying that I can't occassionally sign my messages as a > > > > 'former vedic surf' anymore, right? :) > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I can cop to my own waking state ignorance, but I never > > heard > > > > MMY > > > > > > > deny the details or the caste system contained in the Vedic > > texts > > > > in > > > > > > > this way. Sanatana Dharma is in full support for the caste > > system > > > > and > > > > > > > Guru Dev was its champion. So even though your point may be > > valid > > > > in > > > > > > > MMY's system for the 4 main Vedas, the texts that came later > > make > > > > > > > specific claims about the world. One of those details are the > > > > > > > structure of the caste system which is supported by MMY > > every time > > > > he > > > > > > > talks about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > What I heard MMY say of caste has, in my words -- not his, a > > genetic > > > > > > basis -- and a micro-cultural aka family environment basis. If > > your > > > > > > father is a doctor, and your mother is a doctor (I know several > > > > people > > > > > > like that), then the probability is you will have an easier time > > > > being > > > > > > a doctor than something else. You have a genetic disposition > > towards > > > > > > it. And by the time you are 18, you already know huge amount > about > > > > > > being a doctor -- just from dinner convos, walks on vacations > > > > talking > > > > > > with parents, seeing them with their peers, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > That view makes sense to me. Not that it should be iron > clad. Nor > > > > iron > > > > > > chains to keep one "down". > > > > > > > > > > > > And there is honor, fame and wealth in all four "castes". A > > "sudra" > > > > > > might be a skilled craftsman, or artist or baseball player. > > > > > > > > > > > > And the four main castes are seen in most cultures-- by > different > > > > names. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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