--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > > > > > However for many simply the cessation of > thoughts does > > > not give rise to pure consciousness because of > the > > > foundational projection/identification of > > > consciousness with chitta. Cessation of > > > thought/vrittis in chitta while identification > is > > > still present is a laya and not samadhi. I > believe > > > many of the decades long meditators are stuck in > a > > > laya when they meditate. They experience peace > and, > > > bliss, but it rarely moves into pure > consciousness. > > > > Well said. That's *exactly* why I suggested that > > having been given a strong intellectual framework > > that appeals to the normal (that is, > unenlightened) > > waking state can actually be an *obstacle* to the > > appreciation of enlightenment when it dawns. > > > > *During* the experience, however long or fleeting > > it may be, it can be an actual experience of > samadhi, > > because while it is going on, the intellect is > "not > > at home." But *immediately* afterwards the > intellect > > logs back on and tries to superimpose its > programmed > > intellectual understanding of "what samadhi is" > onto > > the experience, most often with disastrous > results. > > Or not. > > > The result is often finding some way to deny that > > the experience took place, or that it was actually > > samadhi. > > Or not. > > What it usually took for a long-term TMer > > to recognize that samadhi was taking place was for > > it to last for an extended period of time -- say > ten > > to twenty minutes. After such an experience, it > was > > difficult for even the most conditioned intellect > > to impose its preconceptions on the experience. > <snip> > > The thing that's fascinating to me is that it's > > pretty easy (at least for me) to tell which of the > > participants in this particular discussion have > > actually *been* to the moon and thus are speaking > > in their own chosen language "around" an > experience > > that was actually an experience for them > personally, > > and those who have *never* been there and are only > > mouthing what they've been told. Pretty > interesting > > that that difference can come through, even on the > > Internet. > > Or not. > > <snicker>
Minus the snicker it seems that you're doing a perfect Jaimani imitation. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
