Vaj wrote:
>
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>>> I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra
>>> siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter,
>>> shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly
>>> awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and
>>> experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying
>>> oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.
>>>
>>> Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata
>>> put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore
>>> remains an expression of natural law).
>> But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out
>> at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.
>
>
> Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that
> relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body which
> projects change in the outer. But there are other types and styles of
> siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use of demons
> or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc.
>
I don't perform those types of siddhis. Our siddhis are mantra based
(so far). We can say though they are in English the TM-Sidhis are "sort
of" a mantra.
> It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an
> article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one
> sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from
> devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the
> former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi
> (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to
> direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama taps
> the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to
> union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of bliss
> and illusory experiences.
The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and
solutions people may need for problems.
