Tom,

I am a bit iffy on what you're trying to say in your three consecutive
posts.  Are you supporting my post or finding error or ????  I don't
find much to argue with in the quotes you give, but then, I don't have
much resonance with the vocabulary, so trying to see what your
concepts are is hard for me.  Can you take a second go at my post and
try to underline what you mean to communicate?

Edg

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>
> Edg writes snipped:
> Amness is not an experience.  The ego is unified when one (ego) has
> transcended-dissolved into amness, so there's "no one" to experience
> anything -- other than our good old faithful Absolute.  The Absolute
> is the only sentience -- amness is to Absolute as dummy is to
> ventriloquist.
> 
> Tom T:
> from Sailor Bob's book by James Braha
> Energy, or belief in something, doesn't care which way it goes. Just
> like the current in an electric motor. Turn the switch one way, it
> goes forward. Turn it the other way, it goes in reverse. Electricity
> doesn't care. The vitality, the living essence, doesn't care whether
> you think in dualism, stuck in the mind, or anything else. It just
> goes where the energy or belief goes. But if you question all your
> beliefs, you'll find belief is only a reference point. It's not the
> actuality. A belief can never be the actuality. The actuality is this
> present moment. Presence Awareness. You can't negate it.
>
Edg writes snipped:
Amness is illusory. A representation. A symbol. An activity of a
nervous system that, partially only, it is as close as a map can be to
the territory without being the territory. Brahma poses as Brahman and
fools everyone, including Himself. Even the purity of amness cannot
find purchase on the Absolute which cannot be stained by any
conditional.

Tom T:
A quote from Jean Klein from his book I AM page 85.
"In an experience there is still an experiencer who is stuck in the
pattern of going in and out of states. Global understanding is the
sudden awareness that the perceiver of these states is unaffected by
them, that they appear in the perceiver. This insight occurs in a
flash when all the fragments preventing us from understanding, yet
which point towards it, unfold in the uninvolved witness.
Awareness is the essential element allowing non-understanding to
become understanding. It does not result from accumulation as when we
learn something, a language or an instrument, for example. It is
instantaneous like a flash of lightning where the various elements
preceding it are suddenly seen simultaneously and are re-orchestrated,
just as the particles drawn by a magnet fall into a pattern when they
become attached to it. This sudden vision can eliminate all previous
problems without leaving the slightest shadow of non-understanding.
This resorption into total understanding releases all the energies
usually molded into set patterns and opens the way towards ultimate
truth, oneness." (Tom comments, we could also use Wholeness or
Fullness in lieu of Oneness.)

Tom T:
More from Jean Klein: Transmission of the Flame page 65 first para:
"...We have very often repeated that the seeker is the sought. An
object is a fraction; it appears in your wholeness, in your globality.
When you really come to the understanding that the seeker is the
sought, there is a natural giving-up of all energy to find something.
It is an instantaneous apperception. I don't say perception, because
in perception there is a perceiver and something perceived. An
apperception is an instantaneous perceiving of what is perceiving. So
it can never be in relation of subject-object, just as an eye can
never see its own seeing. .......you will find a glimpse of
non-subject-object relationship. This glimpse is seen with your whole
intelligence, which is there in the absence of the person, the
thinker, the doer. Understanding, being the understanding, is
enlightenment.

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