--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@>
> wrote:
>
> Empty wrote:
>
> >> An absurd story for gullible westerners by other sentimental
> westerners. If MMY wanted to >>follow his guru in death all he had
to
> do was jump into any funeral fire or any sacred river to >>perform
> sadhu-sati.
>
> Nublusoss:
>
> >Thats exactly what Maharishi did. But Guru Dev told him to
surface
> >and continue with life.
> >
>
> So you are saying the story is that Guru Dev told him to go back
to
> the world? (??)
>
> So MMY is under water and has a clairaudient perception of Guru
Dev?
> That supposes Guru Dev was hanging around like a common spirit
> observing the activities and participants at the funeral. I heard
> this story 25-30 years ago and it didn't make sense then. Today it
> sounds suspiciously apocryphal.
>
> Have you ever read Adi-Shankara's Brahma Sutra Bhasya? He concurs
> that a brahma-vid doesn't go anywhere at death. This also means
that
> he/she does not stay anywhere. A brahma-vid is like space whether
> inside or outside of a pot. Space as such is the same, only the
> features of the pot give us a reason to distinguish space as
inside
> or outside. to are not findable after death. Not going, not
staying
> what is the alternative? It is not returning either. When
questions
> about this, I heard MMY definitively deny what he called
> the "bodhisattva idea". He said that the wave merging into the
ocean
> and the wave emerging from of the ocean could not be defined as
the
> same wave. This is very old point in MMY's knowledge base, older
than
> the guru devotion story you are now repeating.
>
> And by the way, Maharishi's comment, could actually be a good
example
> of a Buddhist explanation of the karmic continuity of personhood
> across multiple lifetimes.
>
> Adi-Shankara did state that Ishvara could grant adhikara
> (authorization) to select jivas to return to manifestation even
after
> cosmic pralaya with the caveat that it was Ishvara who
recollected
> them (their sanskaras) thus recalling them into being just as they
> were at the end of the previous mahakalpa. His point was that
these
> previous adhikara-jivas (like the four kumaras) were those very
deva-
> rishis who awakened at the dawn of the creation's new radiance
(navya-
> prabhasa). His point was not that Ishvara might really like jiva-
joe
> and thus keep joe's guru around hanging with the pretas while joe
> huddles with the masses.
>
> Guru Dev appears to have been a brahma-vid. Maharishi appears to
be a
> brahma-vid. Why would we want to sentimentalize a teacher's
devotion
> in this manner, except to lord it over ordinary meditators or
newbie
> teachers? It's just like using slogans such as "First deserve,
then
> desire".
>
> empty again
>
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. :-)
