So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru. Indian spiritual politics... gotta love it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > This is the original post and the forwarded response from Swami G: > > Hi thanks for the quick response. Still I feel that she is tiptoeing > > around the points. These points or rather my main point is, that > > within the Saraswati Order, as well as two others within the Dasanami > > System, only Brahmins can be made Swamis, period. This is different > > for Puri and Giri, Bharati and most other. Swami G is simply not > > addressing this. > > G - You want it addressed according to your understanding ? ok > then read the following after your entry > > * IOW GD could not even have made MMY a Swami, even if he would have > wanted. Therefore MMY's status as non-Swami does not signify a lack of > qualification. Being close to GD in a visible way, does this mean he > was deprived of the essential teachings or transmissions, because > outdated caste-regulations would prescribe it that way? I leave that > up to everyones judgement, and I cannot say it myself 100%, but I must > say, that I don't believe it. > > G Now if you want to go on what is being promoted about Guru Dev > saying that only Brahmins may be sannyas then STILL Mahesh Yogi > can have no claim to being a Guru. here is the quote from the site > i am sure you are getting your stance from : > ccording to tradition only a brahmana (brahmin) can become a sannyasi > (swami), and only a sannyasi can be a guru and take disciples. In a > scarce Hindi book entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita', Guru > Dev is quoted upholding this view:- > > ' , parantu guru saba nahiiM bana sakate . gurutva kevala braahmaNa > hii ko hai .' > '.. But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmanas are in > the position to be a guru.' > > On account of his varna (caste), Brahmachari Mahesh could never have > hoped to succeed his master nor could he ever become a guru himself. > > G NOR COULD BE BECOME A GURU HIMSELF - so no matter how you want to > cut it > Mahesh Yogi is not authorised to be a guru. As he has said ONLY A > SANNYASI CAN BE > A GURU AND TAKE DISCIPLES. so what is he doing going against his Guru ? > > i don't care how you want to slice it ---- clearly he has gone Against > the tradition while > he holds up his Guru as his authority and backing. > > G as far as Brahmacharis being privy to the deeper parts of the > tradition you may > wish to read this written by a Saraswati - Now this Saraswati in fact > does initiate > others into Sannyas . Who is the Saraswati being referred to ? > > Swami Sivananda Saraswati > http://www.atmajyoti.org/mo_sannyasa_dharma.asp > > You can read what he says about brahmachari and sannyas . > > Maha Shanti OM >
