In a message dated 9/3/07 10:58:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The problem here is that Judaism doesn't teach reincarnation. "It is > appointed for man to die once then be judged". The corruption of the church you > mention, paying for penance, came long after the death of Christ. However tithing > is an Old Testament tradition, not to gain salvation, but to reap the > blessings of God. The "whole thing" about Jesus dying for our sins was established > long before the Romans had anything to do with the church. It was a Jewish > thing at the time. "Christianity" was a Jewish cult or sect for the first > hundred years or so and Jesus was looked upon as being the "ultimate" Passover > lamb who's blood protected one from the wages of sin, which is death and > damnation through separation from God. Also the shedding of a lambs blood was the > prescribed method or sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. The blood was taken > and sprinkled over the mercy seat where God met with his high priest. Under > the mercy seat were placed the Ten Commandments, in the Arch, and God did not > see the law through the blood thus did not judge one by the law. Jesus was > looked upon as a Priestly King who shed his own blood for the remission of sin > and it is his blood that is placed over the mercy seat so God the Father does > not judge one by the law. You either believe it or you don't. Of course > another picture of Christ in the Torah is when Moses placed a bronze serpent on a > flag standard, a cross, so those that had been bitten by snakes and scorpions > could sit beneath it and gaze upon it with faith and be healed. The snake > was a prophecy of Jesus becoming pure sin while on the cross, taking on the > sins of those that believed. So none of this had anything to do with the Romans > trying to suck money out of the pockets of the people. It was about Jewish > prophecies in the Torah and Tenach. > You mention blood a lot; Are you a Vampire, by any chance? What's all this blood stuff. I'm Jewish, and the same genetic stuff, that Jesus came from. I don't need any blood sacrifices, anymore, do you? "I want to bite your neck, darling...(only kidding)... Now, they say that Tom Cruise is a little weird, with the Scientology thingy. But, if you ask me, there is no stranger religion or blood cult, than the Roman Catholic Church. How it still exists, is beyond me; people are such brain-washed sheep, I reacon... It is very true that Jesus himself, was a Jew, and that most of his followers and all of his disciples were Jews. This is a fact. It is also a fact, that the Jewish method of execution was for the condemned to be stoned to death. The Roman method was crucifixion, where the body was allowed to dry and rot in the sun for days. Many, many Jewish people were murdered in that way, and in that time. Also, the Romans brought the believers in Jesus from Judah to Rome to participate in the blood sports they conducted in their Colleseum; So, most, if not all of the early believers in Jesus were killed, and to believe in Jesus, meant death in the Roman Empire, at that time. Soon after that, the Romans destroyed the territory of Isreal, in around 74 A.D. and scattered the Jews throughout Europe and Asia. Then the Roman Empire adopted Christianity, for the official state religion of the Roman Empire, in the 4th- 5th century's. The Romans wanted to de-Jewify the writings, to make it into a Roman religion, and not as it was originally intended: As an evolution of Jewish thought, to one of love and forgiveness, of the eternity of the soul, how to heal useing meditation and listening to your heart. How not to follow the God of Rome, the God of Greed, and the God of Lust. Instead, the Romans, made Jesus into their new Emporer, different than the rest of us; They miss the whole point of Jesus' - that God is inside YOU... Not in the church, not in the priest, and certainly not in Rome. Rome is about buildings, and control, and materialism, and murder, rape, pilliging, confusing the masses, propping up the upper classes on ego trips, eating until they vomit, and orgies, sex means nothing. They used Jesus' death to symbolize their Roman religion. An excruciating torture and death device: Crucifixion- (makes Cheney look like kindergarten)lo This is why you see so much perversion in the Roman Catholic Church, child molestation, really evil stuff! And back in the day, they had orgies with some of the old Popes, And all the silent Catholics during WW-2 where millions of Jewish people, the people of Jesus' tribe were demonically murdered, by a so- called civilized people? So, as you can see, I don't have a whole lot of respect for the Roman Catholic Church, how can you? The blood issue, you will need to take up with the Almighty, read your Torah. <I don't have a lot of respect for the Roman Catholic Church either. It taught anti- Semitism through *replacement theology* which is not the teaching of Christ and the Catholic Church became corrupted in all kinds of ways. The blood of the messiah, the perfect Passover lamb, was the last drop of blood that needed to be shed for the remission of sin and put an end to that practice, also the tearing of the curtain in the temple, at the time of Jesus' death, that separated ordinary men from communion with God was symbolic that man no longer needed an earthly priest to intercede for him before God, something Catholics still practice. Religions are corruptible. Jesus referred to the Pharisees of his time as being Brooder vipers, and whited sepulchers, all clean and white on the outside but nothing but dead men's bones and corruption on the inside. He said they stood in the doorway to the Kingdom of heaven and didn't enter and refused to let others pass. Yes, religion can be corrupted over time as they all have been. But Christ didn't come to teach a new religion, he came to teach how to have a relationship with God and those gentiles that follow his teaching are called *Christians* although there are many more that are *cultural Christians* just as there are Cultural Jews who don't necessarily follow Judaism or seek a relationship with God through the laws of Moses.< As for the title of this thread, *Jesus did not die for our sins*, Let me print here what the prophet Isaiah said some 700 years BC. Isaiah 52,13 & 53. The Lord's Suffering Servant. See, my servant will prosper; he will be highly exalted. Many were amazed when they saw him-beaten and bloodied, so disfigured one would scarcely know he was a person.And he will again startle many nations. Kings will stand speechless in his presence. For they will see what they had not previously been told about; they will understand what they had not heard about. Who has believed our message? To whom will the Lord reveal his saving power? My servant grew up in the Lord's presence like a tender green shoot,sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him. He was despised and rejected-a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care. Yet it was our weaknesses he carried;it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his sins! But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own.Yet the Lord laid on him the guilt and sins of us all. <He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins- that he was suffering their punishment? He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.< But it was the Lord's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children and many heirs. He will enjoy long life, and the Lord's plan will prosper in his hands. When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
