--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <boo_lives@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- boo_lives <boo_lives@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO, he looks a bit sad or worried in most > > > > > > of these pics: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/photogallery.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess he knew what the world would have to go > > > > > through > > > > > > during the 20th century. > > > > > > > > > > > Or how MMY would start selling supernormal powers > > > > > and Enlightenment at > > > > > $1 million a pop to spiritual gullible americans, > > > > > all proceeds going > > > > > into an offshore account in the jersey islands named > > > > > Brahmananda > > > > > Saraswati Trust, which finances real estate > > > > > development and lavish > > > > > lifestyles of the varma/srivasta clans. > > > > > > > > Slam dunk!! > > > > > > > I guess I never figured that Guru Dev is that weak, blind and > stupid- > > > - > > > > > > That a saint who could make himself dynamically known to many > after > > > his bodily death, who apparently organized a massive yagya to > end > > > world war two, who manifested money out of the ether, who lived > > > unaided in the forest from the age of nine, would be incapable > of > > > using his highly developed intuition to pick a worthy successor > to > > > spread his message, one who he even provided with the mantras > useful > > > for the world, on his deathbed? > > > > > > Of all those who he could of chosen, at his pinnacle of wisdom > and > > > popularity as Shankaracharya of the North, of all of those > attracted > > > to him, he choses someone who is greatly flawed, to destroy and > cast > > > doubt on all of his work? > > > > > > Sorry, but I ain't buyin' it.:-) > > > > > There is no evidence that GD choose MMY to be his successor - tmers > > believe that based on what MMY has said not anything objective. > > There's a huge decades long controversy over who GD's official > jyotir > > math successor was, where there is some record, and there's no > record > > at all regarding MMY. GD did not give MMY tm mantras - as has been > > documented MMY started teaching TM in india with the mantra raam > given > > to everyone, later changed to bij mantras, and changed the criteria > > for selecting bij mantras at least a couple times. The deathbed > story > > is believed by tmers and makes a great dramatic story. You can > > believe whatever you want, as long as you understand you're using > your > > own spiritual movement's beliefs/stories/myths to support your > > argument, which doesn't have much weight on those who aren't a > part of > > it. Every guru with a marketing orientation has a story about how > he > > is the official successor/reincarnation of/avatar of/ etc. of some > > prior esteemed guru. Anti-tm people from GD's ashram have their > own > > stories about how GD warned the ashram about MMY's ambition and to > > keep him on the business side and out of the teaching side of the > > ashram, and how MMY fooled with the will, etc. That's their > stories - > > they have the same objective weight as TM TB stories. > > > > MMY certainly has been successful in drawing in people to > meditation > > and in raising money. Still a pretty large group in ffld doing his > > thing. I don't know if that says anything about GD or what he > would > > think about it. > > > > I don't know much about GD from non TM sources. He appears to have > > practiced a tradition called shri vidya. My personal opinion is > that > > GD's true lineage is being upheld by someone trained and selected > > while GD was in the forest, not while in his public formal role as > a > > religious ashram leader. > > > I have heard all of what you are saying also. I do believe that Guru > Dev's intent was to radically shake up our world through > rejuvination of the timeless knowledge of enlightenment, and to make > this as widely available as possible. > > One thing that is available to enlightened individuals like Guru Dev > is to be able to carefully steer the trends of time in their favor. > It is a natural and effortless part of enlightenment; comes with the > territory. > > What you are accepting instead, is that Guru Dev is incapable of > this, that instead he chooses to be duped by someone with base > motives. Which if you know anything at all about Guru Dev, first > hand, is utterly incomprehensible. The entire manifest universe > literally resides in each and every cell of his body, he is absolute > purity made manifest, and you are saying he is willing to be duped, > and or usurped by a wolf in sheep's clothing, or at the least > allowed such a person into his intimate presence, for years? That is > an absurdity beyond comprehension. > > Whether some of the TM lore is in question or not, my ongoing > relationship with Guru Dev makes your collection of doubts regarding > Maharishi highly suspect-- almost like finding out that your father > has had a secret life as a bank robber, only even less likely. > > Additionally, of course all beliefs are based on experience. Because > Maharishi's techniques and knowledge have brought me permanent, ever > growing and solid enlightenment, Brahman, there is no reason to > engage in these endless debates or doubts about him and Guru Dev, > and what their relationship is or isn't. > > There is no greater evidence than experience, in my opinion.:-)
There is also such a thing as self-delusion. What you've done here, in my view, is express predictable assumptive apologia for Maharishi the TMO. And, I personally don't believe at all that you are in Brahman Consciousness. I'm certainly not impressed. I remember a story I heard or read years ago about an earnest disciple who had a master who was notably disreputable. He was preaching his master's 'wisdom' to a prospective disciple who had been listening to a different master. The earnest disciple claimed that in 'enlightenment' the master is not bound by any standards of behavior. The prospective disciple went back to his master and asked him about this. The master said that any master who doesn't practise goodness in his own life isn't really enlightened and if he claims that he is, then I spit on his enlightenment.
