Bronte writes:
The fact that your guru presumed to send a message to me brings up the
emotion of irritation and anger, and I'm looking at that to see what goes. I
realize I do have the opinion that gurus in general are part of a racket aimed
at exploiting seekers. I have little respect for the lot of them. When I come
across some enlightened person like Flanigan, or others, who isn't trying to
convert people but simply sees the world from a certain perspective, and who'll
tell you what that is if you happen to ask them about it, I find that cool. I'm
interested.
But people who fit the traditional concept of guru manipulate people's lives.
They tell others they can read their souls and then they give them directions
on how to live. They often wreck lives in the process. This is my experience.
From what I've read of your postings in the past, your guru is of the
traditional variety. I read the interchange you published on FFL between her
and your friend and was appalled. I intend no insult to you personally, but
Ron, I have to be frank. I just don't go for that stuff.
So I have no desire to communicate with her or to receive comments on my
postings from her. If YOU want to comment on something I wrote, that's a
different matter. However, since guru lady has had a go at me, I'll have a go
at her this one time. I really can't resist. It won't be pretty.
Ron had written:
* General comments coming from my Guru are - a person cannot be enlightened-
this is
why it is advised for the sadakas in my path here to think of Guru as
consciosness and not
the persona.
Bronte writes:
Bullshit. It's people who get enlightened. And gurus are no more and no less
consciousness than the rest of us. Telling your lot not to think of you as a
person but as consciousness is just a cool device for getting them to park
their critical thinking at the door and swallow whole anything you tell them.
*no doership with the enlightened as there is no one to do anything- the me is
gone-
sidhis, miracles, psychic phenomina may occur around the enlightened but this
just
happens, it is not being done
Bronte says:
All more crap. Yadda yadda yadda. If the "me" is gone for you lady, I don't
want what you got. I perceive me-less people as walking zombies, who've sold
out their sacred personhood for "superior" nihilistic bliss. Well go ahead and
enjoy it. But if it's really that fulfilling for you, why do have a need to
proseletyze to strangers who don't want to hear from you on Fairfield Life?
Guru lady says:
Also, the body has nothing to do with enlightenment- you are not the body, or
mind, for
when these things are gone, there is something left, this is what One IS. In
the kudalini
path, where shakti meets shiva, the kundalini journey, which is one of
consciosness, is
completed.
Bronte says:
The body has EVERYTHING to do with enlightenment. Enlightenment is achieved
in the confines of the body. My old guru himself used to say that you have to
come here and take on a body and get enlightened inside it in order the
complete the journey of involution and evolution, the whole round-trip.
Kundulini takes place IN a body, and transforms it into the divine. So your
little preachy message here isn't even consistent with your own tradition.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In reply to Ron, who commented that developing psychic abilities has
> nothing to do with enlightenment ... bud, I disagree. IMO, the fully
> enlightened person
* General comments coming from my Guru are - a person cannot be enlightened-
this is
why it is advised for the sadakas in my path here to think of Guru as
consciosness and not
the persona.
would have access to divine abilities, psychic ones
> being part of it.
*no doership with the enlightened as there is no one to do anything- the me is
gone-
sidhis, miracles, psychic phenomina may occur around the enlightened but this
just
happens, it is not being done
When all the chakras are open and lit up with the
> power of kundulini energy -- available on a permanent basis -- the
> human being is capable of miracles.
Also, the body has nothing to do with enlightenment- you are not the body, or
mind, for
when these things are gone, there is something left, this is what One IS. In
the kudalini
path, where shakti meets shiva, the kundalini journey, which is one of
consciosness, is
completed.
Again, these are the general messages from my guru
>
> That is more my idea of enlightenment than the nonattachment model. At
> least it's what I strive for, whatever one wants to call it. Being
> nonattached hold little appeal for me. But that's another topic.
>
> Bronte
>
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