It took me a minute too. Personally I prefer the second paragraph :)

On 07/04/2012 17:26, Nat Russo wrote:
It took me a minute to catch the PoV shift you spoke about, but I think I see it now. Presenting the 50+ guards before John reacts seems to be a shift from John's point of view to some sort of omniscient point of view.

There were definitely a few things about that first example that just bothered me, another of which is suspense, even if only for a moment. Having him swear in reaction before presenting what he's reacting to seems to increase tension a little bit, at least in this case.

Thanks again for you willingness to answer all of my newbie questions :)

Regards,
Nat

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Raymond E. Feist <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    On Apr 6, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Nat Russo wrote:

    > Hi Ray,
    >
    > I'm still merrily revising my first draft (ok...sometimes
    not-so-merrily).  I noticed something in my writing that I wanted
    to ask you about, and it deals with the subject of cause and
    effect.  Paraphrasing a book on writing that I recently read, the
    author suggested you should *never* reverse the two, as this could
    cause some confusion in the reader.  I hate words like "always"
    and "never" when it comes to stuff like this, though.
    >
    > Here's a brief example of effect following cause, as the author
    of the book I alluded to above would do it.
    >
    > ---Effect following Cause---
    > "Bells began to ring throughout the city, indicating the alarm
    had been raised.  John knew he wouldn't be alone for long.  As he
    rounded the corner he got his first glimpse of the docks to the
    south.  At least fifty guards lined the street between him and his
    destination.  There would be no way to break through their line.
    > John swore."
    > ---------------------
    >
    > Yeah, that works and everything.  You see the cause [oh crap
    there's a bunch of guards] before the effect [John swears].  But I
    find myself preferring the following in this situation:
    >
    > --Cause following Effect--
    > "Bells began to ring throughout the city, indicating the alarm
    had been raised.  John knew he wouldn't be alone for long.  As he
    rounded the corner he got his first glimpse of the docks to the south.
    > John swore.
    > At least fifty guards lined the street between him and his
    destination.  There would be no way to break through their line."
    > ---------------------
    >
    > The latter version seems more...I don't know...cinematic?  You
    see John swear [the effect] a moment before you know why [the
    cause], but this doesn't seem jarring to my ear.  In fact, it
    reminds me of the countless times I've seen such a sequence in
    action/suspense films.  (But maybe that's the problem?  It's cliche?)
    >
    > I'm just curious about your take on this.  Is this a situation
    of "whatever sounds best to you", or a "for the love of God, man,
    never do that!"...or somewhere in between?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Nat
    >
    > --
    > Sent from my Crappy Laptop (tm) using a poor excuse for a web
    browser.
    >



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    The first is flawed, because you've lost your point-of-view.  Your
     character's point-of-view correctly views the causality.

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