It's this so-called 'progressive' crap that's the problem.  We went
too far in the 60s after correcting some serious social problems in
this country.  When we stopped keeping score in Little League so no
one had to be a loser, we doomed ourselves to mediocrity.  It's so
stupid.  Kids need to learn how to lose, and do it gracefully, if they
are to survive and thrive in the real world.  No level of so-called
political correctness[sic] is acceptable.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Parks White <[email protected]> wrote:
> John, I assume you are lecturing Jeff the teacher for his fantasy as a drug
> thesis.. However I disagree with both of you. We should ask why kids need to
> escape the society/world  we created particularly using drugs and ultimately
> taking their own lives in epidemic proportions. Life is more stressful than
> in our day even if you left school 5 years ago. Families are under
> tremendous pressure today whether it's dealing with redundancy or holding
> down two jobs.  Stress, depression and mental illnesses  are increasing. Use
> of Ritalin and other pharmaceuticals to "control" ADD ADHD, dyspraxcia,
> asbergers is rampant. Children are neglected by worn out parents who both
> work and commute and are concerned at losing  their jobs so work more hours
> for less pay. Jumping into a fantasy world like Midkemia is a Godsend (REF
> for God) if it was on TV or the Big screen it's icing on the cake. Alcohol
> is most peoples drug of choice. Self medicating after a hard day at the
> office ( or classroom) is More problematic today than 10 year ago. You
> cannot blame teenagers for societies failures. we must look at ourselves ,
> our values and the society we have created and ask is this the best we can
> do? is there a better model? In Business terms. what is the "best practice"?
> Perhaps there a fantasy novel here waiting to be written...or a non fiction
> worst seller. Best wishes.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 21/04/2012, at 12:21 AM, John Buttimer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Wait what?! Because kids today are weak minded and can't handle the real
> world sci fi is as bad as drugs? there is no way that logic flies! Heck you
> should all be seeing my last name on emails, if not its Buttimer, a skinny
> kid with that last name is ripe for bullying but you know what? I dealt with
> it and fought back. Kids today need to grow a set and stand up for
> themselves. once you run you always run till you have nowhere else to run
> then you take that final leap since there was no other outlet for you. Kids
> need to realize life sucks and you get over it. Bullying though bad isn't
> forever and if you stand up usually the bullys turn to look for weaker
> targets. Sci fi is not escapism unless you cant handle reality and then
> thats something wrong with your up bringing I would say or a serious self
> confidence issue.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parks White <[email protected]>
> To: feistfans-l <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:16 am
> Subject: Re: Midkemia on tv
>
> So Raymond Feist is your first drug of choice?  Sounds a little hypocritical
> to me...small wonder teen drug taking, escapism and suicide is on the
> Rise... put another brick in the wall....
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 20/04/2012, at 11:02 PM, "Jeff C Goodhall" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Reality tv is a direct contemporary reflection of parts of our society. Be
> it the actors or the viewers.
>
> Sci fi , although I like it, is garbage, its escapisim. The amount of
> teenagers i have seen throw themselves into these worlds to block out
> reality is simply awful, I am a teacher,  they dont learn how to socialise
> and they dont learn basic norms.  Ther eis no difference between people who
> live in a fantasy world and those who take drugs.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Buttimer
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Midkemia on tv
>
> I agree BUT here my counter argument, what has road rules, Jersey Shore,
> Simple life, or any of the others that fall into those categories vs say
> just star trek or star wars? Sci=Fi causes you to dream and want that
> technology IE communicators to cell phones. Sci Fi helps society long term,
> reality is just brainless tv. but again this is my arguement which doesnt
> make it a fact to anyone but me :D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff C Goodhall <[email protected]>
> To: feistfans-l <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:29 am
> Subject: Re: Midkemia on tv
>
> I find it REALLY fuuny all the people who diss MTV, reality shows etc.....
> for being waste of time, mindless entertainment. Guess what alot of people
> think Fantasy and Scfi is?  Waste of Time, mindless entertainment. :)
>
> If there is a market for something it sells if not it doesnt.  We all have
> different tastes.



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Nick A

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