Wow, thanks for the answer you guys.
How on earth do you get proofs?
Someone (publisher) reads them and at some stage posts them on an auction site?
Thats actually really exciting Paul, 2 of them :-).
I have heard of the "infamous" brown bomber.
Lani  
(Publishers or proof readers must have an excellent job)

Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:28:57 +1000
Subject: Re: Magician - Grafton Edition.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]

Hi all,
I have a few proofs, but not a Magician. I have a lovely Silverthorn proof and 
an even better Darkness at Sethanon proof, but sadly, no original Magician 
brown bomber IIRC. (yet!)

Paul



On 28 May 2013 10:21, DC <[email protected]> wrote:

The Magician manuscript that Richard mentioned in his post was a typewritten 
copy of Ray's manuscript with handwritten corrections in the margins.  Last I 
had heard was that there were 8 of these that were photocopied, and bound with 
a plain manilla cover and were done before the first printing of Magian in 
1982. Sounds like a few more have surfaced over the last few years.

John will have to chime in here, but last I heard from him this was the rarest 
piece in his collection. There are a few other pieces that are unique (one of a 
kind), but not of Ray's first work so I would not deem them as valuable as the 
Magician ms. 

I could be totally out of date here, so wait for John's say so...  I always do!
Have a good one!
-Devin

Sent from my iPad

On May 25, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Lani cat <[email protected]> wrote:




Hi Devin,
Hey what is a "Manuscript".......is it a "pre" proof read edition that is sent 
out to publisher?
(curious)
Lani

Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:46:06 -0600

Subject: Re: Magician - Grafton Edition.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]


Hah!  I've one of the original manuscripts that John has never gotten his hands 
on...!  I didn't realize that so many have popped up over the years.  That's 
what I get for taking such a long break from the list.



-Devin

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Richard Williamson <[email protected]> 
wrote:


Hi Simon,

Can you turn off the images in your postings?  This is a text-only list, 
inserting images tends to annoy as there are some people who don't have the 
bandwidth to handle them (either they pay by the k, or they live in places 
where the Internet is this vague *waggles fingers dismissively* thing that 
never caught on).  It may be that the image you've attached is quite small, 
it's just we have a zero-tolerance policy to prevent other people from thinking 
it's ok to do...





The person who can answer your question exactly (if the answer is available) is 
John but he's just lost his dad so his responses may be delayed.

>From what I remember, the original (orange? cover) Grafton was published 
>in/around 1982, the '88 is either a reprint, the limp, a book club or 
>misidentified.  The 1982 Grafton HC 1st, there were probably less then 2k 
>published (there were only about that many of the US true 1st '82 Magician).  
>Looking through Crydee, is this the one you have?:





http://www.crydee.com/node/3805

which apparently doesn't show print runs, sorry.  The original Grafton 1st UK 
HC is so rare, I think John doesn't have a copy of it in his collection (which 
is the largest in the world, by far).  To compare, there were exactly a dozen 
photocopies of the original Magician ms, complete with Ray's hand-written 
markup after typing it out... John's possibly owned all of them at one time or 
another.  Probably at the same time. 





That's Ray's official website btw.  The aforementioned John is the keeper of it.

rip


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Simon Patterson <[email protected]> 
wrote:




Hi There,




I'm a rare bookseller from Leeds in the UK, I specialise in speculative






fiction. A few weeks ago I acquired a copy of Magician in hardback






published in 1988 by Grafton. I understand that the print run was quite low






- does anybody have any numbers?
Thank you in advance - I've subscribed to the list, I like to get to know a






bit about the authors I sell.
Simon


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