RE: Ginger's appointment

[Julie Johnson]

I don't worry about the positive corona titre either.  It's more an exception to find a cat with a negative titre; it's so common.

 

Barb brings up a good point; you do the best you can for these animals, most of whom probably wouldn't be alive if they had not crossed your path.  I remember having a terrible URI outbreak with some kittens of ferals (they were born sick and just couldn't shake it) and getting on my hands and knees and scrubbing my kitchen floor with hydrogen peroxide (and crying!)!

I felt then that everything must be absolutely sterile; well, it didn't make a damned bit of differnce!  When you go over a certain threshhold with numbers of kitties, there are just some things that will happen.  A URI can affect multiple cats; it's like kids in school!  You're already doing the best thing for them by giving them good water, healthy food and lots of love.  A strong immune system is the best protection!

 

Julie   

Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Good for you for rescuing and keeping:)

I really wouldn't be worried about kitties having a positive corona virus titer - most do actually as there are sooooooooo many corona viruses, but vaccinating can be a complicated decision.  Do you have a table or closet or shelf or something right outside Ginger's room (or even just inside the room)?  And unless she's drooling on your hair, I wouldn't worry too much:)  That would be a good spot for disinfectant and would cut down on the gloves and the worry about getting to the sink.  I wouldn't worry at all about the FIV spreading unless you have serious fighters - it's usually transferred by bite wounds.  There are a lot of factors to consider when you want to keep them all safe and not get any bug that they don't currently have.  One thing some mixers have pointed out is that whatever life they have w/them is better than what the alternative was.  I'm a renter, so I'm limited to 2 right now - darnit.

 

Anyway, I think it's safe enough but do recommend Lysol (proven to kill the HIV virus on surfaces, so FeLV hasn't got a chance) somewhere near the door of ... well, probably each room, but at least Ginger's.  I'd spray hands and clothes, wherever Ginger had access to and then wait a couple minutes to make sure it's dry and then continue on with your day.

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Actually, right now I am not planning on vaccinating them at all, especially FeLV vaccinations  – I know this is always a controversial issue for most of us – it’s a tricky situation for me, as all of my corona virus positive kitties, which is 90 % of mine are going to have a greater risk of developing FIP if I vaccinate them according to some research, and I cannot afford to do that, either as FIP is very fatal once you get it unlike FeLV.  All of my cats are rescued, but permanent residents of my house and am planning to keep every single one of them for the rest of their lives.

 

I have one set up with just FIV positive cats.

I have two sets up with corona virus positive cats.

I have another set up with corona virus positive + uncertain FIV (test result has not been conclusive for some reason)

And I have Ginger-

Unfortunately, I don’t have a changing room between Ginger’s room and others (I wish) – but I keep a gown and a pair of pants in Ginger’s room and I put them on as soon as I get there – and take them off before I leave the room. Usually, before I leave the room, I put on a pair of plastic glove so that I can wash my hands without touching anything before I get to the sink in the house.  And there are always a stuff worry about – my hair and so forth (I usually put it up so that it’s not hanging down) – but I did not want drive myself to insanity too much either -  do you think it’s safe enough??

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Ginger's appointment

 

I would think that until they are all vaccinated (if you're planning on doing that) your bleach and clothes changing would do the trick.  If you are tired of doing laundry, use Lysol on the clothes, because Lysol will kill the virus.  Depending on what your set-up is, you could have a changing room between the rest of the population and the FeLV+ room and keep your Lysol in there and keep the same set of clothes for Ginger.  Are your kitty residents fosters?  I know that sometimes that makes a difference for some multi-cat households on the mixing question.

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sorry – correction!!  I meant – “even with the fact that most of my cats are NOT vaccinated for FeLV ?

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Ginger's appointment

 

With given the fact that most of my cats are vaccinated for FeLV ?

When I took Ginger in – I knew there is going to be a risk – but I wanted to make sure I do everything I can given benefits/risk of all the factors.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Ginger's appointment

 

With those precautions, I think you're completely safe.  The concensus is that it takes prolonged intimate contact to transfer the virus and that the virus is extremely fragile and short-lived outside the host.  There are many people on this list who mix their positives and negatives knowingly for various reasons and, list members please correct me if I'm wrong, there is not one instance in a knowing mix- with the negatives vaccinated, that the virus was transferred.  There are others who keep their positives separated but don't take your bleaching and clothes changing precautions and I think that there also, no transmission of virus has occurred.  There are the sad cases where a FeLV+ was brought in and the status was NOT known and the virus was transmitted to other negative, non-vaccinated kitties.

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am not sure which doctor studied it, but I will do some research and try to find out.

 

Do you think there is a great risk of my other cats to get FeLV?  I do worry –I wash my hands with bleach (1-bleach & 8 water) all the time, before and after visiting Ginger, and change my clothes and socks every time, and before and after – do you think there is still a risk?

 

I read that FeLV virus does not live outside of the body more than a few seconds (and some other literature says “a few hours” and I am not sure what is more realistic information – do you know?  I am curious) –

 

I would appreciate any of your input on this – because I have 20 plus cats in my house though they don’t have a direct contact at all with Ginger, I do not want to assume that it is ok -  and vice versa, most of my other cats are exposed to corona virus positive.

 

Thank you!

 

Hideyo

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:13 PM
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Subject: Re: Ginger's appointment

 

Hideyo,

    >and what they found out is that cancers/tumors are not caused by vaccine itself, but rather by “injections” – they did testing with a control group with saline solutions and they still found cancers/tumors from the group

I hadn't heard this before, and it is of great concern to me too.  Do you know the name of the doctor who quoted the study?  Would you please call him and ask which study he's talking about?  I'd very much like to read it for myself.  I have been shooting three of my babies so full of holes, (Penicillin, VO, B12), that I expect them to start leaking when they drink! 

We had a discussion about vaccines not too long ago.  I didn't read the links because I've already decided not to subject my animals to any more vaccines unless they are absolutely necessary.  They have all been inoculated in the past and I suspect that the "boosters" pose more risk than they're worth.  Someone on the list talked about blood testing to determine whether an animal's titers indicated if they needed them. 

If you read the archives, you'll see that I have a semi-feral, Gypsy, with IBD that I suspect was caused by over vaccination.  I am concerned, however, about your not vaccinating your cats for FeLV with a positive in the house.  Even with Ginger in another room, you are exposing them to a great risk.

As far as taking Ginger to the vet...  What did you expect the vet to do for her?  If she seems to be getting better, I would be reluctant to take her in as well. 

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

After going back and forth, I decided not to take Ginger to her appointment yesterday after all.  She has been doing well, and I wanted to minimize any chances of stressing her if I could avoid it.  She is a feral cat, and she is extremely skittish and I guess, since she has been doing so well, I did not want anything to change that –

 

That’s said, do you guys think that I should still get her checked up by my vet?  Her tongue (Dr. Basko tells me that the color of the tongue can be a better indication of anemia than gums sometimes – especially, ginger has a darker pigment) and gum looks good – but I would necessary know how organs are doing except that she is just doing so fantastic and I am just so proud of her –

 

Also, one thing I forget to mention yesterday regarding what’s suggested by Dr. Basko is that to give Ginger VB12 and folic acid possibly twice a week –

 

On a separate note, I have a question. I was at an animal emergency clinic this past weekend with one of others kitties – and overheard the conversation regarding vaccinations causing cancer/tumors (which I am so aware of and do not vaccine any of my cats) – but I heard the doctor saying – “well, actually there was a test/research done on this topic – and what they found out is that cancers/tumors are not caused by vaccine itself, but rather by “injections” – they did testing with a control group with saline solutions and they still found cancers/tumors from the group – which concerns me now all of sudden with V-B injections – let me know if you have any insight on this -  

 

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