RE: Ginger's appointment

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Hi, Julie, thank you for your email. That’s another reason why I hesitate to bring Ginger in – if my vet or vet’s tech assistant examined other kitties prior to Ginger, she could catch something either from their hand or clothes or thermometer, too – I was going to bring Gingers’ own thermometer though just in case – but I think about all sort of things to avoid any risks if you know what I mean -   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Ginger's appointment   Dear Hideyo,   I agree with Barb; I think your precautions are fine and they are certainly more than I do when I handle an FeLV+ cat.  I simply wash my hands with soap and water.    Think about it; does the vet go through anything more rigorous after examining an FeLV+ cat?  I do not currently have any FeLV+ cats, but I stopped vaccinating against FeLV as soon as it was implicated in VAS.  I do not mix my FeLV+ cats, they always have a separate room.  My Encore, who tested postive after having been negative, shared a room with 4 other cats who were too shy to be in the general population.  She had prolonged contact and shared litter, food and water.  The cats she was in the room with have continued to test negative. (KNOCK WOOD!)   I thought about the insulin syringes being much thinner than other kinds of syringes, too; I wonder if it could make a difference?  Like you, I have to do some research and track down that whole study.   Julie   Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With those precautions, I think you're completely safe.  The concensus is that it takes prolonged intimate contact to transfer the virus and that the virus is extremely fragile and short-lived outside the host.  There are many people on this list who mix their positives and negatives knowingly for various reasons and, list members please correct me if I'm wrong, there is not one instance in a knowing mix- with the negatives vaccinated, that the virus was transferred.  There are others who keep their positives separated but don't take your bleaching and clothes changing precautions and I think that there also, no transmission of virus has occurred.  There are the sad cases where a FeLV+ was brought in and the status was NOT known and the virus was transmitted to other negative, non-vaccinated kitties. Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am not sure which doctor studied it, but I will do some research and try to find out.   Do you think there is a great risk of my other cats to get FeLV?  I do worry –I wash my hands with bleach (1-bleach & 8 water) all the time, before and after visiting Ginger, and change my clothes and socks every time, and before and after – do you think there is still a risk?   I read that FeLV virus does not live outside of the body more than a few seconds (and some other literature says “a few hours” and I am not sure what is more realistic information – do you know?  I am curious) –   I would appreciate any of your input on this – because I have 20 plus cats in my house though they don’t have a direct contact at all with Ginger, I do not want to assume that it is ok -  and vice versa, most of my other cats are exposed to corona virus positive.   Thank you!   Hideyo   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger's appointment   Hideyo,     >and what they found out is that cancers/tumors are not caused by vaccine itself, but rather by “injections” – they did testing with a control group with saline solutions and they still found cancers/tumors from the group I hadn't heard this before, and it is of great concern to me too.  Do you know the name of the doctor who quoted the study?  Would you please call him and ask which study he's talking about?  I'd very much like to read it for myself.  I have been shooting three of my babies so full of holes, (Penicillin, VO, B12), that I expect them to start leaking when they drink!  We had a discussion about vaccines not too long ago.  I didn't read the links because I've already decided not to subject my animals to any more vaccines unless they are absolutely necessary.  They have all been inoculated in the past and I suspect that the "boosters" pose more risk than they're worth.  Someone on the list talked about blood testing to determine whether an animal's titers indicated if they needed them.  If you read the archives, you'll see that I have a semi-feral, Gypsy, with IBD that I suspect was caused by over vaccination.  I am concerned, however, about your not vaccinating your cats for FeLV with a positive in the house.  Even with Ginger in another room, you are exposing them to a great risk. As far as taking Ginger to the vet...  What did you expect the vet to do for her?  If she seems to be getting better, I would be reluctant to take her in as well.  Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: After going back and forth, I decided not to take Ginger to her appointment yesterday after all.  She has been doing well, and I wanted to minimize any chances of stressing her if I could avoid it.  She is a feral cat, and she is extremely skittish and I guess, since she has been doing so well, I did not want anything to change that –   That’s said, do you guys think that I should still get her checked up by my vet?  Her tongue (Dr. Basko tells me that the color of the tongue can be a better indication of anemia than gums sometimes – especially, ginger has a darker pigment) and gum looks good – but I would necessary know how organs are doing except that she is just doing so fantastic and I am just so proud of her –   Also, one thing I forget to mention yesterday regarding what’s suggested by Dr. Basko is that to give Ginger VB12 and folic acid possibly twice a week –   On a separate note, I have a question. I was at an animal emergency clinic this past weekend with one of others kitties – and overheard the conversation regarding vaccinations causing cancer/tumors (which I am so aware of and do not vaccine any of my cats) – but I heard the doctor saying – “well, actually there was a test/research done on this topic – and what they found out is that cancers/tumors are not caused by vaccine itself, but rather by “injections” – they did testing with a control group with saline solutions and they still found cancers/tumors from the group – which concerns me now all of sudden with V-B injections – let me know if you have any insight on this -     Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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