It's pretty amazing - 90% of my cats are feral, and there are about a
dozen of them that are still very feral - so feral that I cannot even
touch or pet them (though I love them as much) - I can't imagine the
dedication for the people who take care of Feral with feLV to give
medications to - I am simply impressed and makes me cry - thank you for
what you do!!

Hideyo

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: San Fran & feral champion

You see Sally, this is why I love you.  Yeah!  Let's hear it for feral 
lovers.  I love this SF program, just wonderful to know there are humans

out there who care.  Any article or info you can share with me would be 
great to pass on to the cretins that think it is wiser to trap and kill,

instead of TNR.  There was a rumor that one of our area military bases 
was convinced that the former was the way to go.  It would be great to 
have some study backup (not just my two cents), or a well phrased 
article from a respected source that explains why TNR is so effective.

Also - thank you for the transfer factor.  Grace has been feeling kind 
of low and it's nice to have something extra to give her.  I'll let you 
know if it seems to help her, in the meantime it means alot to me to 
have something, (anything) extra to do.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hi Kerry...
>
>I can't remember if I ever sent you a message after Levi passed away.
That 
>was a crazy weekend for me and then we were having so many problems
with the 
>list and I was enduring my own kind of AOHell.  When I couldn't log on,
an 
>outsourced consultant told me my AOL software was damaged and my disc
drive, for 
>whatever reason, could or would not read a disc to reinstall it and
they told me 
>nothing could be done.  But I started digging on my own, computer dummy
that 
>I am, and decided to try defragging the drives, even though only one
drive was 
>16% fragmented.  That seemed to do the trick and I was able to log on
again 
>to find an overflowing mailbox.
>
>You have my utmost admiration for all your efforts dealing with FeLV+
ferals 
>who are not cuddly and cooperative with regards to getting meds.  It is

>difficult enough when you are trying to dose a cat who is even halfway
cooperative.  
>You did the very best you could trying to help Levi.  Perhaps he tried
so 
>hard to stick around even though it was apparent he was not going to be
able to 
>get well because his alpha personality made him think he had to try and
be 
>there for his remaining siblings. He was sure a gutsy little guy and
you did the 
>best you could to try and help him.  Sometimes our best is just not
enough, and 
>this is so often true when dealing with FeLV.  If we can keep them
stable 
>with immune support and a good diet and try to minimize the stress in
their life, 
>that is about the best we can do  until it is better understood what it
is 
>that causes the FeLV-A subgroup to mutate into one of the more virulent

>subgroups, and a way can be found to stall or halt that process (better
yet a cure for 
>the whole damned gamut of FeLV and its subgroups!)  Levi and his
littermates 
>were so lucky to have come into your care, and I am sure he and the
others 
>know that.  The pain of the losses may never go away completely, but we
have to 
>put it in perspective and go on trying to help the others still in our
care.
>
>I could really feel for what you have to go through after I rescued a
little 
>5 mo. old off the E-list at the local shelter to be a playmate for
Purrki, my 
>miracle bably who retested negative for FeLV when he was neutered in
Dec. '04. 
> She was on the E-list because she had a minor URI and the new Shelter
is not 
>yet set up to hold and treat cats symptomatic for any length of time,
so if 
>whatever symptoms they have don't clear in a few days, they go on the
list to 
>be PTS.  I was not able to isolate Purrla successfully and ended up
with a URI 
>epidemic among my indoor cats.  URI's are more annoying than a real
threat to 
>healthy cats.  But even my two FeLV+ furkids isolated in a back bedroom
were 
>affected and they are still semi-feral.  Tango, the brother, did very
well and 
>I only had to wrap him up in a towel the first two times and he was OK
after 
>that about getting his meds.  His sister, Macarena, however is still so
very 
>shy, I as really worried it would set back her socialization and
acceptance of 
>me that I've worked so hard to achieve.  When I had to go out of town
the 
>weekend of the 5-7th, I was worried sick about having to go away and
being able to 
>find someone who could come give meds to them.  Luckily, I was able to
find 
>two ladies through the local network of rescue groups and both kittys
actually 
>did much better than I thought they would and neither of the postives
became 
>seriously ill.  By the time I got back, no one was still couging or
congested, 
>just a bit of sneezing, and all were eating on their own.
>
>With regards to the San Francisco program, I will try to find copy of
an 
>article about that which listmember Denise Uriarte (also a boardmember
and 
>volunteer with PFOF, which stands for Peninsula Fix Our Ferals) shared
with me.  They 
>have a dynamic young atorney who is or was the director and he lays it
out in 
>dollars and cents to demonstrate that an aggressive TNR policy with the
bulk 
>of resources dedicated to S/N is more cost effective and better at
controlling 
>feral populations than is TPTS.  San Francisco is the only large city I
know 
>of which maintains a no kill policy at their shelters and are not
having to 
>euthanize healthy, adoptable cats as so many shelters must do.
>
>The vet who has spearheaded these S/N "events" and gotten her
colleagues to 
>donate their veterinary skills and time to the effort is Dr. Dana
Gleason.  She 
>has a practice in the East Bay area but I don't remember exactly where 
>offhand...will have to dig into my offline saved mail for that.  She
had been doing 
>it for a while in the E. Bay and this past August began an effort to
include 
>the Peninsula (West Bay area) and down south to San Jose, as well.  I
have 
>worked with three of these events so far and I can't tell you how
impressed I am 
>with the way she has managed to get the events organized and running so

>smoothly.  These ferals would get no better care in the most
prestigious private 
>practices (which would probably not accept ferals, anyhow).  Because of
all the 
>labor being donated by vets and other volunteers, the only costs are
for the 
>supplies and meds, so we can keep the cost very minimal:  $15 is the
minimum 
>donation requested per cat for a spay or neuter, with vaccination for a
3-way and 
>rabies, treatment for fleas or ear mites and worming, if necessary, and

>whatever else needs to be done while the cat is under anesthesia, such
as extracting 
>obviously infected teeth. It is a one-shot deal with most ferals, who
are not 
>likely to walk into your traps a second or third time.  We are now
trying to 
>push hard to get as many ferals microchipped as possible (cost for S/N,
etc. 
>plus microchipping is $25) as we have issues with local Animal Control 
>facilities who routinely euthanize all ferals brought in. So far, we
convinced them to 
>get a scanner that can be used to scan ferals while still in a trap and
they 
>have assured us all ferals will henceforth be scanned, and if they have
a chip 
>will be released to the colony caretaker to be returned to their
colony.  We 
>still haven't got a workable line of communication for dealing with
"managed" 
>ferals who are notched but unchipped -- it is really hard for me to go
and see 
>notched ferals (which means someone has cared enough to get the cat
S/N'ed 
>hoping to give it a better chance for some kind of life) on death row
waitng to 
>be PTS and know that our efforts on their behalf have been for naught.
>
>Thanks for caring about the fate of ferals, though you would, of
course.  But 
>not everyone involved in rescue efforts does give much thought or
effort in 
>that regrd.
>
>Sally in San Jose  
>
>
>
>  
>



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