i'm sorry, a FERAL ragdoll? that's almost as oxymoronic as a feral persian!
most raggies need to take classes to even learn how to hiss and growl....

okay, to get serious. (me?)

have to agree with kelley.

sounds to ME that if a vet did a second snap test right away, it's because
they were pretty sure they messed up the first one: there's a very specific
set of steps you have to go through to do the snap correctly, and there is
NO reason to redo it immediately--unless you forget to have the test out of
the refrigerator for the correct time, you didn't have enough blood, you
didn't put in enough test solution, you "snapped" the test wrong (if it's
not kept perfectly level, the test is compromised), and you didn't check the
test circles at the right time. ie, they screwed up. and when they screw up
that badly, i wouldn't particularly trust them to have done the second one
correctly either. so much for my humble opinion on that.

the latest research that i have read seems to be leading to mom-kitten
transmission being as much, if not more, from the actual birth PROCESS
(contact with the mucous membranes) than from in-utero infection, with the
even more "dangerous" thing being all the nursing and mutual grooming momcat
does as the babies as learning about the real world. if this is true, then
these kittens may have a very good chance of not being positive.

since mom died from injuries and not anything related to a compromised
immune system per se, she might have been in the process of throwing off the
virus herself, and so to assume that either she OR the babies would/will
remain positive is unscientific, unmedical, and that vet should be ashamed
of himself.

FELV+, FIV+, FIP <http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html> play out the articles on
FeLV (heck, on all three since i'm sure he's no more aware on those) for
him. there is really no excuse for a medical professional to CHOOSE to
remain ignorant when information is out there.

and yes, unfortunately, it IS common--after all, why learn anything or tax
your skills when the first line of treatment is the easiest: just kill them
all!

(sorry, hon, but we around here get REALLY hissed when we keep hearing this
stuff.....)

THANK YOU FOR NOT LISTENING TO HIM!

because, even if they ARE positive, if they're healthy and happy, they have
as much right to  occupy space as any of us. (and more than some? oops, i
didn't say that.)

MC









On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Nooooo do not put any kittens to sleep because there is a pos test.

1.  They may not be pos.

2.  I am confused about the original test.  It is not common to test a
kitty twice, especially one who was injured and is dying.  Was the
kitty tested before death?  Really confused about this part.

3. GET ANOTHER VET.  This one sounds awful.

On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am new to the list and need some advice.  We have a number of ferals
in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many
as possible.  I have been successful in turning two of them into great house
cats.   One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age.  She is about 12
months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far
as I know she wasn't tested.  She lived on my patio for a year then decided
to be a house cat. I haven't had her tested yet, but she is very healthy.  I
suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped.  She is a Rag Doll
and really doesn't act like a true feral.
> Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer.  Before
I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered
the litter of kittens on my patio.  When the kittens were a day old, a
neighbor's dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens.  The
mother cat went up a tree, then took off.  I tried to follow her, with no
luck.  I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never
returned.  We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to
watch for her to return.  She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday
night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape.   I just happened to look out
when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens.  I took
her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the
injuries.  The vet suggested testing her for FeLV.  (with the comment that
if the cat was positive, you wouldn't want to treat her any way.)  The vet
reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive.  The
vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the
chance that they were positive.
>
> I haven't had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with
cats- all before FeLV was identified – so I am not familiar with it.   Based
on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test
results/vaccinating/etc.
>
> We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy,
crawling all over the place and don't appear at all sick.  They were only
with their mother just under 24 hours.   (born last Thursday.)
> Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are
positive or not? I would appreciate any advice.
>
> Thanks
> Deana
>
>
>


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