I hear you Cindy. Speaking for myself I think technology while truly wonderful has also resulted in us having to work harder and longer than ever before (I never ever want a Blackberry-type thing; I've used my recntly-acquired cellphone ONCE)----my poor brain finds it impossible to retain information these days even when I do read up. Kerry M
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: overvaccination All I know is what my vet told me. I guess I am the idiot for trusting him. I will do research about it. I'm sorry I can't get on this site everyday to read what people post. Cindy Reasoner --- MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. > > the "new" calici virus is neither new, nor a virus. > > like FIP, what has occurred, very infrequently, and > only in hospital and > shelter environments a FEW times since first > identified is a MUTATED FORM OF > ONE OF THE COMMON CALICI VIRUSES. each outbreak has > been a different form, > which means that NO VACCINE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO > PROTECT AGAINST THE NEXT > FORM. > > why do you think there isn't an HIV vaccine > yet?????? > > this is a HUGE money-making scam by ft dodge. both > phaewyrn and i have > collected lots of data on this, and posted it to the > lists. please go back > in archives and do real research. > > the avma DOES NOT CONSIDER THE FT DODGE VACCINE A > CORE VACCINE. > > read the CURRENT vaccine protocol at the uc davis > site, or any of the other > vet school sites. please. > > i can post all the info on the calici virus when i > have a chance--if anyone > who still reads this list has the copy i sent out a > month or so ago, when ft > dodge decided to capitalize on everyone's > pet-food-recall panic, PLEASE post > it AGAIN for people. > > MC who is, frankly, tired of repeating herself. > > On 6/21/07, MaryChristine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > The new calici virus, again, I think is scare > tactics. > > > > > > The vaccine is made by Fort Dodge, and Ft Dodge > is trying to make $ > > > off it. They are the same ones who make the FIP > vaccine. I do not > > > use Ft Dodge vaccines on my cats. Again, this > is something my vet has > > > never seen a case of, no one has been able to > prove it even exists. > > > > > > If you want the most recent recommendations for > vaccines, go to the > > > AAFP website and look. I believe they publish > them yearly. > > > > > > On 6/21/07, cindy reasoner < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have had my cats vaccinated every year but I > need to > > > > talk to my vet about it. I sure don't want to > take > > > > any chances. Have any of you heard of this > new strain > > > > of calici virus? My vet sent a letter out to > all his > > > > clients owned by cats. You have to go for a > booster > > > > then go back in 3 weeks for the last shot. > The letter > > > > said that the cat didn't have to come in > contact with > > > > the infected cat. We can bring it in to them. > It is > > > > highly contagious and a perfectly healthy cat > can die > > > > within days if exposed. My vet was even > considering > > > > making it mandatory that all of their feline > clients > > > > be vaccinated for this. He told me about a > vet in the > > > > northeast that had an infected cat come in and > I think > > > > he said that vet's office couldn't have any > cats in > > > > there for something like 45 days until they > > > > disinfected the office and were sure there was > no more > > > > danger from exposure. I have 8 cats and I > just got > > > > through with the 2nd shot for all of them. > This > > > > disease just sounded to scary to take a > chance. All > > > > of my cats are inside cats. They never go > out. I > > > > think where I live (Tennessee)it is a law that > you > > > > have to have your pets vaccinated for rabies. > I am > > > > not sure though. > > > > > > > > Cindy Reasoner > > > > > > > > --- elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I lost my Felicity to vaccine-related fibro > sarcoma > > > > > > http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html > > > > > > > > > > They've changed the vaccine now, > however...there is > > > > > less risk. There is > > > > > still risk, however. > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you though that with an > aggressive fibro > > > > > sarcoma, amputating the > > > > > paw can prolong the life but it cannot save > it. > > > > > Felicity had her leg > > > > > amputated. A very sad and heart-wrenching > story. > > > > > The survival rate even > > > > > for humans with this type of cancer is > abysmal. > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad to hear there is on-going research. > > > > > > > > > > It's a difficult call. Some vaccines are > formulated > > > > > to be given every three > > > > > years. Others are formulated for every > year. Many > > > > > say you don't want to > > > > > give a vaccine yearly formulated vaccine > every 3 > > > > > years. There have also > > > > > been tests that indicate the three year > vaccines are > > > > > less effective. I'm > > > > > told that currently the best way to ensure > you > > > > > aren't over vaccinating is > > > > > to have blood work done for titers...but you > could > > > > > still end up paying for > > > > > that test and still have to pay for the > vaccine too. > > > > > > > > > > My vet doesn't like to vaccinate > immuno-compromised > > > > > or geriatric cats. I > > > > > confess that I am very shell-shocked from my > > > > > experience with Felicity...and > > > > > I do not have my cats vaccinated every year. > It > > > > > might make more sense to > > > > > have them vaccinated more often if they were > outdoor > > > > > types. I really think > > > > > that if we still had FeVL+ babies living > with us, I > > > > > would have them > > > > > vaccinated more often. > > > > > > > > > > I've lost babies to the vaccine - and I've > lost a > > > > > baby to FeVL+. Both are > > > > > heart-wrenching. > > > > > > > > > > elizabeth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Jane Lyons > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The risk of vaccination and sarcoma is not > > > > > inconsequential. > > > > > > Many veterinarians have altered their > vaccination > > > > > protocols to > > > > > > every three years because recent studies > that have > > > > > indicated we are > > > > > > over vaccinating our animals. In many > instances > > > > > one vaccination > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________ ___________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! 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