i tried to respond rationally and politely about ft dodge, the manufacturers of both the FIV vaccine, and the equally useless vaccine against the "virulent! calici! virus! that! is! taking! over! the! entire! country!"--however, i am completely unable to.
ft dodge is the best representation i know of re: lack of ethics in a professional setting. MC On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really nice overview, MC - thanks! You included stuff I didn't know, > and I'm always trying to talk -up those FIV kitties, cause mine just > about never get sick. > > One thing I noticed too is that the manufacturer of the FIV vaccine > likes to call it AIDS - they have these sensational brochures out > with that written on it - probably thinking that the hysteria that > it causes will get them more sales of vaccines. Downright evil - > especially since their vaccine is worthless. > > Gloria > > At 02:56 PM 3/1/2008, you wrote: > > > > >MaryChristine > ><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >... > >FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer > >in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. > > > >the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height > >of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more > >cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all > >to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have > >an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to > >be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty > >absurd, since H = human, after all. > > > >the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; > >the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests > >(another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test > >positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western > blot. > > > >FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats > >once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to > >transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO > >test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat > >was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away..... > > > >should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or > >removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. > > > >FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than > >non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: > >sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was > >for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other > >population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as > >well as any other cat. > > > >most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other > >things can get them as well. > > > >MC > > > >On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann > ><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass > >on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have > >"met" and lost the battle to- both Felv and FIP in the past year > >(ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- > >live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), > >and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is > >the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT > >casual contact? > > > >I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung > >around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He > >was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped > >ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in > >the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because > >his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 > >years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house > >for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will > >fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such > >an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be > >(alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to > >transmission to his cat. > > > >The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with > >an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he > >has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet > >found the FIV and said "segregate!"- as they always do. > > > >I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a > >"special needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a > >non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., > >would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has > >agreed to continue to "foster" him in his home while I work to help > >him out with the situation. > > > >In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have > >"talking points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if > >someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man > >seems to understand that he could have a cat on his hands with > >something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an > >overreactor and he seems well-educated. > > > >Any info that anyone has will be great! Especially PERSONAL > >EXPERIENCE and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and > >pass on to others! > > > >thanks, > >Caroline > > > > > >---------- > >Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. 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