FYI: Pretty Boy came to the house as a throw-away/stray/feral and hung around until we were able to live trap him for neutering (the price of free food, shelter). He avoided being trapped for almost a year. I had his teeth pulled and left him at the vet's for a long time to recover then cooped him up in a "recovery room" in a garage for a long time. Wanted the meds to get out of his system, the gums to heal and harden and for him to cool off. Needless to say he was one pissed off cat but he obviously felt better. Petty Boy was returned to his friends that numbered 8-9 at that time so there were arguments, hunting, etc. He has done fine and caught, repeatedly, a ground squirrel a few days ago. He and the rest are served dry food daily and, depending on the weather, cat food soup--canned cat food mixed with water. He eats both and, like the rest, looks in a window and stares when he wants seconds. I don't leave a lot of food out any more because of packs of dogs running around. Besides, the heat and humidity doesn't help either type of food.

He is doing fine and has been for at least 3 years now. The vet thought he was about 10-11 when he had his teeth pulled. God knows how long he had been in pain.


On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:04 PM, katskat1 wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has........

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG <maima...@gmail.com> wrote:
His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
like he is panting....and he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
other impression.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
We have
quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
side of
their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
front -
and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
feral
and are mushes now.....
Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
always
surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were
pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
of their
babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

Diane R.

-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat".  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both
of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
probably
can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
couldn't
believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:

Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
(ours
is
FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It
FIV+does
sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
than canned food at times.
Natalie

-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention
the 3
we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats
afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not
FELV
cats, though.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:

Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for
FeLV+
cats?

I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE
MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get
that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and
supposedly
appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist,
with special emphasis on
cleaning
out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like
doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying
DMG.

I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in
different forms.



It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-
DIMETHYLGLYCIN
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