I agree with you – if it entailed great organic farming, 4-H would be very worthwhile!
I put that in the same category as a parent last year , as punishment, made the child kill their cat, or some morons punishing their children by throwing their pets out of the windows in multi-storied buildings! That borders on child abuse! Children are naturally dawn to animals, and when they rear an animal until adulthood, they love it – then giving it up to be slaughtered is definitely a shock to some kids (not all!), and they will never forget it. I also dislike Heifer International, where they give a village a cow or a goat (to supply milk, or whatever) – but doesn’t a cow have to be kept pregnant in order to lactate – DUH! Most of the time, the village is so poor, no water, totally arid, and one wonders just how that animal will survive without food and water……and they always show the people all laughing and smiling, pictured with the donated animal….it’s almost as bad a sending them a lawn mower or snow plow. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or not. The main thing is that humans are omnivorous. We can survive quite nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products. Killing a chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right. I can't do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to live. It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant tomatoes and pumpkins. I applaud farming, especially organic farming. But raising a 700 pound pig or steer called "Baby" and then winning over a thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea of teaching kids ethics. What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to send your friend off to be slaughtered. Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when the final day comes and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed. Even the money is not solace. So what type of lesson do they learn? That they have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder. Think about how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats for food is acceptable. Why do we consider some animals food and some as respected companions and family members? When you think about that, maybe you won't be a 4H enthusiast any more. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _____ From: Joslin Potter <joslinir...@yahoo.com> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it was "home grown" without chemicals, and the chicken is food. ~ * Joslin Irene *~ From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize children's feelings for animals! -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer because I would have to kill the animals. One look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on 4H. They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter. A betrayal is ever I saw one. _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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