Amen to that Lee! I think Ozzy will calm down and really appreciate being rescued, Kathryn. Somehow they just know it. He will like having his food served to him on a plate instead of having to scrounge for it. You did a very wonderful thing Kat.
Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com> wrote: > No, lol, FIV cannot infect a human being. You can be chewed on like a rubber > toy and still nothing. I have been dealing with FIV+ and FeLv+ cats for over > 20 years, bitten, scratched and snarled at, pilled them, cleaned up after > them. I'm still here, relatively healthy and no cat diseases. You can't > catch a cold from a cat either. It's just not a take. Viruses are very > specifically programmed to each species. I'm sure they do cross species > occasionally but not very often. That's why chimps used in HIV experiments > are a very poor prototype for trying to develop a human vaccine. They just > don't get the same effect from HIV virus as humans. But hey, some vets are > so misinformed that they won't even be able to answer the question. > > As for his teeth stumps, the bite has to be DEEP. He can't bite with stumps > of teeth but as you say, just to be safe, you can have them removed. It will > benefit Oz and will ease your mind. Mostly, when neutered cats have a fight > in the house, they smack each other with paws. If they do mix it up, it's > briefly and toothless cats do no harm. Around here, FIV is not an issue > since it's not environmental. I do have a separate sanctuary for 5 of my FIV > cats because I started rescuing around 7 years ago when the information was > still hazy about whether or not it was contagious and I do add contentious > cats with teeth to my FIV group but I really don't think Ozzy would be a > candidate for my group if he were here. After his hormones go away, he will > also be more docile and less likely to do battle with anything but a mousy. > So keep him where he is. Don't put him out or send him away. Just feed him > until he's too fat to move very fast, get that last canine removed and enjoy > the wonderful work you did taking these two orphans. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > From: Kathryn Green <katsk...@gmail.com> > To: Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty > > Good info and I thank you. I hadn't really thought it all through about him > having almost no teeth - although he does still have that one canine and some > stumps so he isn't a 100% safe Kitty for the other cats. Maybe less worry > than I thought but still the potential. > Marcia's brother was the original rescuer and Ozzy scratched him up quite a > bit tho I don't think he bit him. Does anybody know if FIV can affect humans > in any way if a positive cat bites? I would think not but don't know for sure. > Thanks for the info an the cleaner too although it is a standing joke with my > friends that the name of the product is NOT Simple Green, it is Intelligent > Green.....Green being my last name and all..... > ;-) > Kat > Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV > is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a > scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have > about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the > worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he > sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) > it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from > time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and > that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells > like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of > nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in > color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a > concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash > water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT > polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house > under. > > For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, > you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact > with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you > the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will > jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ > cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. > > Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, > males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too > roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. > But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just > impregnate her. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > From: Kathryn Green <katsk...@gmail.com> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty > > Well, good news and not so good news. > > The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an > older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg > for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the > person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be > more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also > loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I > have to dose them both for that. > > The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say > he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One > canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a > couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just > roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says > his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has no teeth. > Suspect many were broken in fights. It is amazing to me how he puts > away dry cat food - LOTS of it - when he has no teeth! > > Technically, a fighter like Oz should be quarantined for the rest of > his life cause of the FIV. If I were to do that it would mean keeping > him in my master bathroom. Not too fond of that idea. Only other > option is to make him an outdoor cat and I don't like that either. If > he starts spraying that will be my only option tho I suspect. Even > tho neutered now he has been around long enuff marking is a natural > thing for him and will likely continue. > > Now for the good news. Miss Kitty came thru with a clean bill of > health, got her vaccinations, and goes back in 4 weeks for her > boosters. > > Total bill this time around was $168. > > Both are now back in the master bathroom while I "gird my loins" and > prepare to dose them for worms. I think Oz will take his in a bit of > canned cat food but Miss Kitty turns her nose up at anything from a > can so hers will have to be a pill. I will let all know if I survive! > ;-) > > Kat > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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