Sorry to hear that, any kind of lose is heartbreaking.
Cherie
BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Some cats a more resistant to infection; when I adopted a stray
kitten, who originally was a false negative, he infected three of my
other cats when his virus activated. One kitty was extremely timid and
never came near the others so she must have gotten it from a water
bowl or litter box. One of the kitties who was exposed and became
positive, "threw off" the virus and is now negative. But I did lose
the kitten and two others: Katyushka, Phillippe, and little Henry Lee
from Mississippi.
Still heartbroken, Bonnie in WI
----- Original Message -----
From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:11 am
Subject: Re: Being a worry wort
> In addition, these 2 were both kittens when I found them, my
> positive was evidently born positive, and her best friend whom she
> groomed and 'mot! hered' was a kitten. He's still negative.
>
> Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Tonya,
> All is well, I am ok with being a worry wart right now, as you
> said I have conflicting emotions. I would never put Amber down or
> seperate my cats, after coexisting for so long that would be hard
> on everyone. I just am tring to be prepared for the worst, and
> maybe help my negatives.
>
> Example, I was playing with Amber with her stick (favorite toy),
> and she catches it and chews it, well Candy jumped on her head and
> then put the stick in her mouth...now they shared saliva, should I
> not play with them together, and if I don't aren't I alienating
> one or the other. I do not want any hard feelings in my furr
> family, or one or the other thinking I pay special attention to
> the other. (Worry Wart) Life goes on the sun will rise tomorrow,
> it is just what I am th! inking now.
> Cherie
>
> catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Cherie,
>
> I didn't mean to imply you're a worry wart either! When this
> first happened to me I was just like you. I was frantic, I cried
> for days worried that I should euthanize my positive, try to find
> her a home, etc.... Then I just couldn't do it so I decided to try
> to find her another home. Then to keep her separated. Well that
> didn't work. Then I spent tons of money testing my 10 negatives
> every 3 months for about a year, updating all their shots, even if
> they weren't due yet. Worrying and worrying. Then She got sick
> and I spent a fortune taking her to an eye specialist for herpes,
> and a homeopath for all these supplements, and an internist. And
> emergency vets. she almost had pneumonia, etc.... but we pulled
> her back. Then I started worrying again that because I knew she
&! gt; must be actively 'shedding' the virus, so I spent more money
> retesting all my negatives again and trying to keep them s!
> eparated from her, considering euthanizing her, etc...
>
> After going through all that, I just decided we're going to quit
> stressing about this and do the best we can. It's easier for me
> to say that now because it's taken years for me to get to this
> point, and no one of my 10 has ever got sick from her or tested
> positive. As I said, I even brought in a new positive. It's been
> years and I don't think my negatives are going to go positive now,
> and if they do, I think it could just as well be because it's been
> there all along and not showing up on elisa as it could be that
> they got it from one of my positives. I'm just saying that after
> dealing this as long as I have, and considering all of the
> conflicting information, I've just decided what w! ill be, will be.
> No one is leaving or going to be separated from my group because
> of their felv status. And if an felv needs a home and I had room,
> I'd give it to them. This is just based on my experience (and
> reading all the conflicting reports like! ! you've been asking
about.)
>
> tonya
>
> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Cherie,
> You're not a worry wort, there is cause to be concerned. What
> most of the folks on this list have learned, is that it doesn't do
> any good. This disease is such a nasty chameleon that you just
> never know what's going to happen. What I've decided to do is to
> make life as pleasant and stress free as possible for all my
> animals, do whatever I can to help insure their health, and pray.
> Being on this list has shown me that sometimes no matter what you
> do, tragedy still strikes. I have opted to make our day to day > (cherish the moment) existence as harmonious as possible, that
> means everybody has access to everywhere and everybody else. Have
> I stopped worrying? NO! But, I do try.
>
> Thank you for the visual of the cats waiting on queue for the
> litterbox. After the sad, sad news about Leeloo, our concern over
> Levi, a! ! nd the roller coaster ride of our sweet Simon, I needed
> cause for a smile. This list has been invaluable to me as a
> source of camaraderie and information, but sometimes I feel like I
> just can't take the heartache anymore.
>
> I can't help thinking that we're close to finding an answer, at
> least a partial answer. It's on the fringe of my awareness, but
> it makes sense to me, that if a cat is still within the first
> stages of the disease, (tests positive on the ELSA, but negative
> on the IFA?), and we hit them with a proven immune booster like
&g! t; feline interferon, that there is a much better chance that they
> will clear the virus. The day is coming that when a cat tests
> positive, there will be a reliable protocol for fighting this
> bastard and winning. I just know it.
>
> Sorry this turned into a rant. I'm feeling very low right now,
> and very angry at the same time. Does anyone have any of the
> appetite stimulant Valium to share?
>
> Nina
>
> Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
> I know noone said, saliva or urine, my vet actually told me
> prolonged nose to nose contact and a bite from the infected cat,
> but then I ask myself how did Snowball get it and past so
> violently. I just want to make sure I know all I can about this,
> just incase one of my others comes up positive.....They share
> water and food but, usually one will eat and then a little while
> later another will come along to nibble, there i! s time inbetween
> the two eating out of the same dish.
> As for the kitty litter box, well I have three boxes and they all
> get used, sometimes they almost form a line at the favorite one,
> like the womens restroom, so urine would be a concern. I just am a
> worry wart if I do not have something to worry about with my
> babies, I think something is wrong with me.
>
> Cherie
>
> Faye Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> The virus is fragile and has a short life outside the body.
> However, fresh
> urine and fresh saliva would be a risk. However, it seems, based
> on a some
> people's experience that blood exchange is the most efficient
> means of
> transmitting the disease as in bites or being born to an FeLV
> mother. That
> does not mean that saliva, etc cannot pass the disease-- just that
> it
> "seems" to be harder to transmit this way! . My two kittens were
> excessively
> groomed by my positive cat, shared food, water and litter boxes
> and thus far
> (24 months) have not been positive and they have each had 9 tests.
> Now, to
> complicate matters there seems to be some genetic protection for
> some cats.
> In other words, some cats are genetically prevented from getting
> the disease
> at all (small percentage) BUT we have no way of knowing if our
> cats are
> genetically protect! ! ed. My ! kittens may not have gotten the
> disease because
> a)they are genetically protected or b)the virus was too wimpy to
> infect or
> c)they did not lick themselves immediately after the positive cat
> licked
> them nor ate while the virus was still alive or d) some unknown
> fact or just
> plain luck or 3)they may yet still go positive.
>
> No one has said that the disease cann! ot be passed with saliva,
> urine, litter
> boxes etc. Some of us think that isn't the most likely means of
> transmission and we could very well be wrong but are willing to
> risk it by
> not segregating our negative and positive cats. This is not an
> easy
> decision and the answers are not black and white because there is
> a lot we
> still do not know about the disease.
>
>
> >From: Cherie A Gabbert
> >Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net
> >To: felvtalk@vlists.net
> >Subject: Re: article about feline leukemia by Dr. Susan Little
> >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:39:2! 6 -0800 (PST)
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> >Thank you for posting the article, but now that verifys my
> concern about
> >shared dishes and litter boxes. I have been told different
> things, one is
> >the virus can not live outside the body for a long period of time
> (15
> >minutes) and weakens as time passes, and I am also told, in this
> article
> >too that shared dished and grooming can is the most common way of
> >transmission. I am confused, can anyone help me muddle through
> the facts.
> >Cherie
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Lisa and all who are interested,
> &! gt; I wrote to Dr. Susan about the possibility of her writing an
> article
> >for us and/or the website about feline leukemia and I got this
> response
> >today:
> >
> >Hi Anne:
> >
> >I wrote an article some time ago with basic information about FeLV:
> >http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/FeLV.html
> >
> >But I just don't have time to update it or write anything more
> indepth due
> >to my travel and lecture commitments right now.
> >
> >You are certainly welcome to continue to forward questions from
> the list
> >and I will do my best to answer them.
> >
> >Dr. Susan
> >Chapter Author, A Home Veterinary Guide, in:
> >The CFA Complete Cat Book
> >http://www.cfainc.org/catalog/books.html#completecatbook
> >
> >Feline Reproduction Manual:
> >http://catvet.homestead.com/ReproCD.html
> >
> >__^^__^^__^^__^^__^^__^^
> >Susan Little, DVM
> >Diplomate ABVP (Feline)
> >Bytown Cat Hospital
> >Ottawa, Canada
> >http://catvet.homestead.com
> >__^^__^^__^^__^^__^^__^^
> >
> >Anne and Jimi Too Cool, Simms, Sophie and other furry friends in MI
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