From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:13 AM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes
Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off tomorrow.I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?thanks in advance again, Kerry----- Original Message -----From: ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 PMSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?Its Ace Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (they’re small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 ½ hours before we were to leave & though it helped me get him in big crate that I had, it wasn’t too much help at vet. By the time I got home, however, he really was very mellow & it turned out to be the first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping on my bed & I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, I just quietly & quickly zipped up the opening. He wasn’t happy but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole lot easier. Big Boy will let me! do just about anything to him except pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but he ate, went to the box when we got home & then just slept thru the night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him a little groggy & mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to the vet!
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:26 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?
Yes, that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vet somehow. Thanks! Kerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?It is virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, “ace” something or other—I give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before & put the carrier on the bed where he generally sleeps—I think that because the pill makes him a little groggy & he curls up inside the carrier & falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he doesn’t like to do (like the carrier—which of course, he knows means the vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it…. I can look up the name & doseage if it will help…
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?
On the basis of your very helpful and specific email Michelle I've made an apptment on Wed morning with the best doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm going to take the blood report that the housecall vet faxed and your email with me.
I just hope I can get him into the carrier, and without too much stress. (I guess if he is feisty tho, then that's a good sign.)
The housecall vet did mention steroids when pressed by me, but she added they take 6-8 weeks to kick in?
Is that correct?
I wish I had a tape of our conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels like wading thru glue sometimes, just to get a clear picture of what's possible/viable.
Kerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:26 AM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: Kerry, how is Levi today?Kerry,
First, in terms of the sour cream-- Simon went a few days where that was basically all her ate too, so I would not worry about that. It's very fatty, if it is whole milk sour cream, which is good. The most important thing short-term, I think, is getting calories into him.
In terms of his anemia and how bad he feels... is there any way to get him a diagnosis? Sue on this list said that her cat had anemia from teh FeLV and depomedrol (steroid) shots completely resolved it. The anemia was from her cat killing her own red blood cells, and the depomedrol stopped that. If the anemia is from lymphoma, then steroids, or chemo if you are up to it, can also help enormously. Simon's hematocrit was down that low for a while, and still could be though I think he looks pinker now and is definitely more energetic. If it is from hemobartenella (sp?) then antibiotics could completely resolve it. If it has anything to do with his kidneys, Procrit or Epogen could help. There is also the chance, of course, that nothing can be done and it is just degenerative from the! FeLV, but it is impossible to know this based on the information you currently have from your vet. If he is feral, then I know that makes any diagnosis or treatment challenging, but if it is possible to get more information from your vet or another (did the vet check for hemobartanella? is lymphoma possible? is it possible he is killing his own rbc's?) If it really seems like he is plummeting, and especially if you are considering euthanasia, I would highly recommend you try a steroid shot or two first to see if they help. I would give a dexamethasone shot, which is fast-acting, along with a longer-acting and slower-to-set-in shot of Depomedrol. I think it is the combination of these shots that brought Simon back, at least temporarily, from the Precipice.
Take care,
Michelle
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